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gotbeans said:
and I asked if you were talking about only gas or both of them..
and then I did explain it
need to be linked to my post again?
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I read your post several times. It is a little tough to read without punctuation and complete sentences.
My post is clearly labeled and is talking about gasoline prices that you claimed have risen 12 fold in 50 years.
So you bought gas for $.85/gallon in 1999.
$.85 x 12 = $10.20/ gallon?
Where are you getting this 12X increase in gasoline prices?

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMA_EPM0_PWA_SCO_DPG&f=M

https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

Colorado looks to be a lower cost state on average so it would probably be better to stick with national average prices for comparison.
 
OffGridForGood said:
20,000 years ?- glacial periods are 120,000 years.
The interglacial periods are short, the glacial periods are far longer - the graph above has the temps invertered I expect.
We are not (today) under two miles of ice, in a glacial period, we are in the latest interglacial period -ie the short warm period between ice ages.
If the pattern were repeating as ice cores indicate in the past, it should be getting colder every winter at this point in the cycle.
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Actually, they vary, and don't necessarily match up with the Milankovitch cycle.
 
Checkthisout said:
So much joy in driving a car that runs on batteries.
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I am sure batteries are reason number one for you and why you should not even think about driving or owning an EV. I an sure you have twenty five other reasons as well. You will be able to drive the car of your choice for at least the next twenty years. After that I have no idea what the choices will be and I wont care.
 
green mountain boys said:
Where are you getting this 12X increase in gasoline prices?
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I don't know about his experience but 50 years ago in the late sixties I remember gasoline in California at $0.27 a gallon. With a fill up, even with a VW with a 9 gallon tank I would get a free drinking glass. Now prices are routinely above $4.00 a gallon in California.
 
Have a look on YouTube for unsold Chinese EVs! There are thousands, if not tens of thousands of brand new EVs sitting in huge lots in China. Some are approaching 5 years old and now obsolete - not to mention the fact that the batteries are probably completely rooted from sitting for so long. Nobody wants them.

Massive Communist Party subsidised factories producing EVs that few Chinese can afford or want.

For those companies that went 'all in' on EVs a few years ago - it must be a tough gig!

Tesla may survive in the US, if tariffs are applied, but there's going to be millions of cheap EVs dumped into European and Asian markets soon.
 
Tulex said:
Actually, they vary, and don't necessarily match up with the Milankovitch cycle.
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Indeed they do vary, or at the very least, the data we have been able to collect varies.
The point of my post was to bring attention to the errors, especially since @Hedges is typically very good with data.
The chart I referenced from his post shows "Today" at a glacial minimum, and shows the interglacial periods longer than the glacial periods, something the data does not support, actually the opposite. As far as I know, the ice core data is about 400,000 years and indicates 4 glacial periods. Some of the posted data shows hundreds of millions of years.
 
Sparktastic said:
Nobody wants them.

Massive Communist Party subsidised factories producing EVs that few Chinese can afford or want.

For those companies that went 'all in' on EVs a few years ago - it must be a tough gig!
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Not a tough gig for those that produce EVs that are selling. In China today, 25% of new car sales are EVs even though it is a lottery system skewed toward EVs, they are selling well. . Oddly despite the authoritarian government there is a robust system of capitalism with this odd governent influence that is driving peoples choices. In China, power is cheap and people have been driving electric scooters and even three wheeler carts to bring produce into the cities from the farms so people are used to plugging in overnight to charge their vehicle.
 
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Ampster said:
Not a tough gig for those that have EVs that are selling. In China today, 25% of new car sales are EVs even though it is a lottery system skewed toward EVs, they are selling well. . Oddly despite the authoritarian government there is a robust system of capitalism with this odd governent influence that is driving peoples choices. In China, power is cheap and people have been driving electric scooters and even three wheeler carts to bring produce into the cities from the farms so people are used to plugging in overnight to charge their vehicle.
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Are they real sales or book cooked sales?

Sorry I just cannot trust any official numbers from China.
 
SparkyJJO said:
Sorry I just cannot trust any official numbers from China.
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I don't know how to verify those numbers. I know the government lies about a lot of things but I don't know of any reason they would need to lie about the mix of car sales. Whether it is ten percent or twenty five percent it is significant. The air is polluted and they do need all the help they can get to clean up the air, even in the countryside.
All I can do is share anectdotal information from my last trip in February. EVs have green tinted license plates and there were a lot of them on the roads in Xian and a drive to the country during my time there. I also spent five days in Dalian and there were enough EVs that I suspect the number is close to being acurate. It is a huge market as the population has moved into the middle class. Some cities have banned gasoline scooters and motorcycles so much of the population that does not drive a vehicle drives and electric scooter or ebike. The Chinese are definitely not copying the experience in the USA.
 
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Ampster said:
I don't know about his experience but 50 years ago in the late sixties I remember gasoline in California at $0.27 a gallon. With a fill up, even with a VW with a 9 gallon tank I would get a free drinking glass. Now prices are routinely above $4.00 a gallon in California.
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Yes and dad complained same as we do today about the prices. Back then $10,000 annual salary was good pay. Seems like it has all gone up together about the same.
 
SparkyJJO said:
Yeah not sure why diesel is so high now. Demand is part of it. Stricter regs? And then..no clue.

Also, the 10 cents difference between grades is looong gone. My toy car needs mid grade and it is like 40 cents more per gallon now. Blah.
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in early 2000s people claimed it was from the war using more diesel but probably "just cuz they can" since then all the way until now

OffGridForGood said:
20,000 years ?- glacial periods are 120,000 years.
The interglacial periods are short, the glacial periods are far longer - the graph above has the temps invertered I expect.
We are not (today) under two miles of ice, in a glacial period, we are in the latest interglacial period -ie the short warm period between ice ages.
If the pattern were repeating as ice cores indicate in the past, it should be getting colder every winter at this point in the cycle.
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those two graphs don't even line up against each other properly at all, some of the "ages" are many millions of years off. The line on the second one through the center though is for no ice caps at all above/below. Current heat trend upwards is the most vertical line there is on the graph other than maybe 1 other time. It is very tiny as the horizontal deals with millions of years

green mountain boys said:
I read your post several times. It is a little tough to read without punctuation and complete sentences.
My post is clearly labeled and is talking about gasoline prices that you claimed have risen 12 fold in 50 years.
So you bought gas for $.85/gallon in 1999.
$.85 x 12 = $10.20/ gallon?
Where are you getting this 12X increase in gasoline prices?

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMA_EPM0_PWA_SCO_DPG&f=M

https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

Colorado looks to be a lower cost state on average so it would probably be better to stick with national average prices for comparison.
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sorry didn't know my 4 sentences with 4 new lines were so complex
show me your math how you calculated 1999 was 40-50 years ago so I can help you

Ampster said:
I don't know about his experience but 50 years ago in the late sixties I remember gasoline in California at $0.27 a gallon. With a fill up, even with a VW with a 9 gallon tank I would get a free drinking glass. Now prices are routinely above $4.00 a gallon in California.
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Yep my post said this. He's just cherry picking numbers.
www.titlemax.com

Average Gas Prices in the U.S. Through History [Updated]

Gas Prices Through History [Updated] We might deny it. We might diminish its importance. We might not like it. But the fact is that gas prices are intrinsically linked with the overall economy in the U.S. and have been for decades. Oil gluts and crises consistently correlate with economic...
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SparkyJJO said:
Hardly the same thing and you know that.

Unless you expect to have super giant batteries capable of storing enough from summer sun to have excess to use in winter... holy crap that is a lot of batteries.
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He's Australian. He doesn't understand the concept of winter.

Again that lack of empathy and understanding from the EV dorks.
 
Ampster said:
I don't know how to verify those numbers. I know the government lies about a lot of things but I don't know of any reason they would need to lie about the mix of car sales. Whether it is ten percent or twenty five percent it is significant. The air is polluted and they do need all the help they can get to clean up the air, even in the countryside.
All I can do is share anectdotal information from my last trip in February. EVs have green tinted license plates and there were a lot of them on the roads in Xian and a drive to the country during my time there. I also spent five days in Dalian and there were enough EVs that I suspect the number is close to being acurate. It is a huge market as the population has moved into the middle class. Some cities have banned gasoline scooters and motorcycles so much of the population that does not drive a vehicle drives and electric scooter or ebike. The Chinese are definitely not copying the experience in the USA.
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It's going to be a slap in the face when China blows past the US due to doubling down on EV's and renewable generation. Moving away from reliance on imported fuel, and an eventual cleaner environment and increased better health outcomes, will be an insurmountable lead, added to the lead already existing due to their near monopoly on battery production. But, by all means, people should hang on to their ICE vehicles until death.

China is going to do it without selling a single EV in the US, other than, maybe Polestar. It's our loss as other countries are going to have access to sub $15k EV's with much lower long term maintenance costs. We have a 2013 Nissan Leaf that's plugging away with no issues, 11 years later, charging from house 120v.

We're charging our Lightning from a 3.6kW back yard gas station. It's been a good truck for the last year and a half. If you're the guy that drives 240miles a day or tows heavy equipment with your personal vehicle, or multi-day travels in your truck, then maybe it isn't for you (but access to Tesla chargers just made that a whole lot more feasible). The back yard array will be paid for around the same time the truck loan is paid off, then free fuel, and it will be powering a 12k BTU mini-split cooling my man-cave garage soon too. Moving the EV charging to the added array has allowed the house 5.4kW array to break even on production vs. consumption three of the last four months. That system is only four years from payoff.

You can talk all the numbers you want, but the day you pull the trigger on a system like this, is the day you are one day closer to writing a line item(or two) off your budget. Nothing's going to change that. You know what will change? The utility and gas prices other people are going to pay.
 
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It's happening whether or not you or I like it.

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Yep, share of total fleet lags new sales, by about a decade or so given the average age of the vehicle fleet is typically 10-12 years (it's more like 6 years in China).

Some countries are further along, some not so far. But the change is happening. Medium term projections may move back or forward a year or two but other than that the change so far is right in line with so many other technology changes.
 
wattmatters said:
It's happening whether or not you or I like it.

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Yep, share of total fleet lags new sales, by about a decade or so given the average age of the vehicle fleet is typically 10-12 years (it's more like 6 years in China).

Some countries are further along, some not so far. But the change is happening. Medium term projections may move back or forward a year or two but other than that the change so far is right in line with so many other technology changes.
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It wouldn’t be happening without Government mandates killing ICE and incentivizing EV to the point of bankruptcy.

This is not a done deal and far from over.
 
Chinese cars...

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BYD’s YangWang U9 Supercar
4-motor E4 platform
960kW power | 1680Nm torque
0-100kph 2.36s | Max 309kph
80kWh LFP | 465km CLTC range
800V Charging: 7kW AC | 500kW DC

nice little runabout
 
wattmatters said:
Chinese cars...

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BYD’s YangWang U9 Supercar
4-motor E4 platform
960kW power | 1680Nm torque
0-100kph 2.36s | Max 309kph
80kWh LFP | 465km CLTC range
800V Charging: 7kW AC | 500kW DC

nice little runabout
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Not bad. Yet, Croatian Rimac Nevera is still the fastest and rules them all. ;)

Rimac Nevera - 0-60mph 1.74s | 0-100kph - 1.82s | Max 415kph
 
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