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Dielectric grease on cable lugs? Lets test!

Speaking for a friend only , he found a real deal on a bunch of real Russian block 30 rd mags. ..
Only to receive them coated in this and wrapped in newspaper ( like is usual)..Haa.

No wonder he got them for 3 dollars each…the work it takes to disassemble clean and this stuff is a beast ( so he said) ..

I’m not sure anyone in history has lived long enough to see it ever stops protecting if well coated and locked away…but then that’s what it was intended to do…

That’s funny …
 
Trying to get a better electrical connection with a non-conductive grease makes zero sense, the best that will do is allow tighter mechanical pressure because of lubricated threads. You might however find a different result using a conductive grease like Tweco rotary ground lubricant
1Z-L, sold in welding supply stores. It is used in high amperage electric rotary unions for serious applications, generally very high amp automated welding circuit grounds. I have used it @ 800A at 70VAC in an application forming up to 1/2" OD resistance wire into heating coils. The coils were destined for thermal diffusion furnaces used in making semiconductor chips. Use it with adequate pressure and you will have a near perfect connection.
1Z-L is excellent and mandatory for metal on metal (bronze, copper or brass) low rotational speed, high current rotary grounds of that brand that specifies its use. 1Z-L is made of 30% graphite powder and the balance mineral oil (probably paraffin oil-heavy). I wouldn’t use it other types of slip rings unless the manufacturer recommends it. Graphite is an excellent lubricant and makes me wonder if it could cause a lug to rotate unintentionally and possibly cause the fastener to loosen or over tighten in the process. Graphite and carbon are high on the nobility chart and things lesser than are subject to galvanic corrosion. The craziest thing that I have ever seen is with carbon and aluminum. A marine fuel tank made from aluminum was badly corroded but only in the places where rubber was in close proximity but not a prefect seal. Rubber was placed between the hold downs and under the tank. But the craziest thing was the wire reinforced rubber fuel filler hose. On inside where the fuel flows when filling, the aluminum was corroded. There were two holes clamps on the outside. The outside clamp was a good ways down from the open end of the aluminum tube within. In that void where the rubber wasn’t clamped tight, condensation could accumulate and corrosion almost completely disintegrated the aluminum. Come to find out that lots of rubber parts contain carbon black. When a new tank was installed one of the hose clamps was positioned at the top of aluminum tube and the other was at the very end of the hose. The elastomers pads were replaced with urethane. The hose type couldn’t be changed because of regulations. My example here is; different nobility materials and some sort of electrolyte (moisture having a reactive ph value contaminate either alkalic or acidic) will cause damage. My take away is, one conductive grease or anti oxidant grease isn’t for every application. It’s application specific.
 
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Speaking for a friend only , he found a real deal on a bunch of real Russian block 30 rd mags. ..
Only to receive them coated in this and wrapped in newspaper ( like is usual)..Haa.

No wonder he got them for 3 dollars each…the work it takes to disassemble clean and this stuff is a beast ( so he said) ..

I’m not sure anyone in history has lived long enough to see it ever stops protecting if well coated and locked away…but then that’s what it was intended to do…

That’s funny …
Yeah, I dealt with this stuff. The American version, Cosmoline gets to be a waxy, gummy substance after sitting for 60 years. Commissioned an old, very big lathe that had been sitting in a government warehouse (think last scene in the original Raiders of the Lost Ark). Luckily it was primarily on all bare metal parts. The majority had to be scraped off and the remaining could be removed with kerosene. It was a great manual machine, very well built. Installed modern DROs on it and it is still running as far as I know.

Old inventory of Chinese semi automatics are drowned in this kind of stuff. Must over twenty years ago a guy at a local firing range didn’t clean the bolt of it. At the factory they must have dipped the bare bolt into the stuff. When the new owner fired it for the first time the firing pin was stuck in the forward position. He inserted a full magazine, let the bolt go home and it went into full cycle. Since he didn’t have a good grasp on the weapon, the recoil spun it and killed him. 😧
 
Yeah, I dealt with this stuff. The American version, Cosmoline gets to be a waxy, gummy substance after sitting for 60 years. Commissioned an old, very big lathe that had been sitting in a government warehouse (think last scene in the original Raiders of the Lost Ark). Luckily it was primarily on all bare metal parts. The majority had to be scraped off and the remaining could be removed with kerosene. It was a great manual machine, very well built. Installed modern DROs on it and it is still running as far as I know.

Old inventory of Chinese semi automatics are drowned in this kind of stuff. Must over twenty years ago a guy at a local firing range didn’t clean the bolt of it. At the factory they must have dipped the bare bolt into the stuff. When the new owner fired it for the first time the firing pin was stuck in the forward position. He inserted a full magazine, let the bolt go home and it went into full cycle. Since he didn’t have a good grasp on the weapon, the recoil spun it and killed him. 😧
When I say coated I mean thick inside and out …around the spring and follower and endplate…

It seems he boiled the whole mess in big pot of water water and poured off the mess and repeat a few times , finally getting down to decently clean good looking metal then he worked with chems to finish the cleaning the oil residue …..then normally lubed them……loaded each one enough to try them good then stored them ..
Lota nasty work …( I hear anyway) ….

I offered to buy them for 5 bucks each when he finished. I mean that’s a high % profit margin for him…ya know ….

😁😁🤣…..he declined …..
 
Trying to get a better electrical connection with a non-conductive grease makes zero sense,

I agree. Putting the grease or whatever on top of a mated connection, I can see (and have done), but I would never put it on the actual mating surfaces. There are conducive substances made for that.
 
How about, conductive silver paste, then coat is with some good old fashion red insulation varnish / liquor
 
Isn't conductive silver paste mostly used as a heat transfer compound?
Yes, but there is electrical base stuff too! I know for sure there is an adhesive based for circuit repair. I honestly don't know if there is just a grease based silver just for conductivity, I was just thinking it would be better then dialectric grease.
 
@sunsurfer That said, the 1X-L is designed to be electrically conductive and work in a very tough environment. Dielectric lube was originally designed to lube distributor cams and the rubbing block on points without fouling to contacts or shorting the rotor and distributor cap. Totally different tasks.
 
Vaseline for me, never had a bad connection or corrosion occur.
If you are that worried about a minuscule amount of connection loses, upsize the connectors maybe or the bolt sizes to clamp more?
I can understand heatsinks requiring thermal paste, as generally they are not clamped on with high torque bolts, but electric lugs are clamped by bolts and if clamped surfaces are clean & flat, it is metal to metal. Lugs are copper which deforms to what ever it is clamped against with clamping force of a bolt.
Any grease / vaseline ect generally is there to stop corrosion occurring over time.

Maybe someone can measure how much of the grease remains on the contact area of a flat / clean lug once tightened up, my guess would be you'll need an electron microscope to find it.
 
Trust me, almost any grease will get out of the way when tightening an electrical junction and in that respect it’s not a dielectric insulator. The grease in the connection is there to simply keep moisture out AND be chemically neutral/non reactive as to not cause galvanic corrosion itself.
There's the cliffnotes right there!

Trying to get a better electrical connection with a non-conductive grease makes zero sense, the best that will do is allow tighter mechanical pressure because of lubricated threads.
Higher torque without galling. I dont think anyone really ever talks about dielectric grease as a thread lubricant but i use it on all my stainless-to-stainless fasteners basically only for that purpose.

I would never put it on the actual mating surfaces. There are conducive substances made for that.
I dont have a problem with anyone NOT using it, but i dont see any downside to applying it between two bolted flanges because it will simply be squeezed out of everything except the voids. My assumption is that between any two imperfect surfaces that are bolted together but not hard enough to conform them to each other, there are 'pathways' that air can travel into and start oxidation which then spreads to the areas of metal that ARE touching each other. So putting grease between two bolted flanges in my mind mostly serves to plug any microscopic 'air gaps' which would otherwise allow oxidation to start between the two flanges.
 
When you lubricate the threads you increase the tension in the threads of the older terminals. The welded stud type is actually a captivated stud within a welded on aluminum puck. I’ve heard of both types pulling out when exceeding the torque specs for that cell model.
 
So adjust torque accordingly.


Break a bolt, and you join the ranks of the pros we entrust our lives to.

 
Silicone grease is what it is - insulator. WTF do we call it dielectric grease !!!!!!!!!! It sounds to me like some poisonous marketing mongrels decided to take a $ product and repackage it for $$$. Urban myth now is that its supposed to have conductive properties - like "copper grease" used as an anti seize compound on bolts. It has been shown this Cu grease has no appreciable conductive qualities - but Joe Public is a sucker for anything?

Bottom line is that conductive surfaces clamped together, rely on the micro surface roughness (hills and valleys) to make all those little point contacts that break through surface oxide films that form (very quickly). It also cuts through the thin grease film as well.

Give me a break guys

It comes from a misunderstanding of what "dielectric" means. Stole this from online.

"A dielectric material is a poor conductor of electricity but an efficient supporter of electrostatic fields. It can store electrical charges, have a high specific resistance and a negative temperature coefficient of resistance."

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Going with the theory that it fills "voids", lets assume one of your connectors has a concave surface. You now trap an insulator in that void and as you try to tighten the terminal the hydraulic force of the "insulator" prevents you from getting it to flatten out more as you tighten. Yes, an exaggerated example, but I'm not buying that it will all just "squeeze out" and be as good of a connection that did not have remnants of an insulator trapped in there. As I noted earlier, sealing up the outside of the connection is fine, but I will never (nor have I ever) put it on the actual contact surfaces. But hey, people can do whatever they want.
 
As I noted earlier, sealing up the outside of the connection is fine, but I will never (nor have I ever) put it on the actual contact surfaces.
I literally proven it does not matter in 1st post of this thread. I guess gut feelings are hard to shake off even when faced with contrary evidence.
 
I literally proven it does not matter in 1st post of this thread.
bolted the lugs together torqued as high as I can do with two 12" socket wrenches in both hands

Hardly a scientific test or proof. But whatever, it does not matter to me (except I believe it would do more harm than actual good in same cases)

I wonder why in all of my years in the military working on fighter jet electronics, we never put anything on the connector pins of the "boxes". Hmm....
 
I wonder why in all of my years in the military working on fighter jet electronics, we never put anything on the connector pins of the "boxes". Hmm....

Because you're the assembler, not the manufacturer.

I got to recommend approval for not using Mil Spec floor wax, instead testing purity of non-mil-spec carnauba paste wax. The pins were dipped in that as part of the manufacturing process.

That was a lubricant to reduce wear, not something to keep humidity out.

The aerospace connectors are gasketed. Difference here is we are talking about exposed bolted lugs.
What does the Army do about battery cables on Humvees?
 
Because you're the assembler, not the manufacturer.

Huh? You do realize there are procedure manuals that are put out by the manufacturers. Do you think the techs can do whatever they want because they read a random post on the internet that said to do something?

The aerospace connectors are gasketed. Difference here is we are talking about exposed bolted lugs.

Exactly the reason I said to put it over terminals and not on the contact surfaces.
 
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