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24v VS 48v

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I know that with
24v safe if you touch it but it will hurt some
AND
48v touch it it may kill you and hurt too.

Now my problem is I need about 4000w of solar to run everything. and I dont want to go 48v due to the danger of death. Can I simply run two 24v systems on the same battery bank or will they each need there own bank?
 
48V is safe unless you go to extraordinary lengths to get it into your body, such as literally sticking the wires into your fingers or taking a dip on the sea and then immediately grabbing a 48v supply in both hands. Your skin is simply too high a resistance for sufficient current to flow in normal circumstances. Practice basic sane working and you won't have a problem with 48V.

Shorting out a high current source 48V supply is dangerous in that it will vapourise metal and spray it around. My own opinion is that once you get over 3kW you really should be looking at 48V. The current at lower voltages is becoming unwieldy.

Naturally take notice of my signature text, follow your local regulations.
 
48V is safe unless you go to extraordinary lengths to get it into your body, such as literally sticking the wires into your fingers or taking a dip on the sea and then immediately grabbing a 48v supply in both hands. Your skin is simply too high a resistance for sufficient current to flow in normal circumstances. Practice basic sane working and you won't have a problem with 48V.

Shorting out a high current source 48V supply is dangerous in that it will vapourise metal and spray it around. My own opinion is that once you get over 3kW you really should be looking at 48V. The current at lower voltages is becoming unwieldy.

Naturally take notice of my signature text, follow your local regulations.
That did not make me feel any safer about it(vapourise metal and spray it around) You know i believe that the worst that can happen probable will.
 
That did not make me feel any safer about it(vapourise metal and spray it around) You know i believe that the worst that can happen probable will.
Keep in mind... 12v will do the same... a dead short is a dead short... and with the amps available to operate a 4000 watt inverter... yeah. Safe electrical practices are needed no matter what.
 
It doesn’t matter what you are working with.

electricity.

digging holes.

climbing trees.

firearms...

no matter what, unless you follow safe practices doing anything is dangerous.
 
The best way to keep yourself safe is to hire experienced professionals to perform tasks they are trained to handle.

for the DIY crowd, they need to get the safety training, and understand all aspects of it before jumping in.
Changing lightbulbs at the bottom of a pool is easy. Unless you don’t drain the pool first.
 
I know that with
24v safe if you touch it but it will hurt some
AND
48v touch it it may kill you and hurt too.

Now my problem is I need about 4000w of solar to run everything. and I dont want to go 48v due to the danger of death. Can I simply run two 24v systems on the same battery bank or will they each need there own bank?
To answer your question... as long as the wattage is available in the bank, you can hook as many inverters or other loads as you like.
 
I doubt it will hurt much after it kills you. :)

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Hi
Go with 48v and hire someone to do the install. You can regard the project as a paid lesson and it should give you some confidence about using it.
In my view if you are nervous - then don’t as the stress will make you error prone. In the learning cycle you are regarded as consciously incompetent which is better the unconsciously incompetent.
Regards
 
48v is something to be worried about, particularly if you have adventuresome kids that get into everything and don't understand the dangers.

What about using a 24V 4kW inverter?

In honor of @SolarQueen (She's done a lot for solar education, thank you Amy!), here's a random example from the AltE store:
Magnum Energy MSH4024RE 4000W 24V Inverter/Charger. There are quite a few inverters that will produce 4 kW @ 24V and you can find them from a variety of vendors.

If you already have a 48V inverter and there's no way to exchange it to a 12 or 24V model you're more comfortable with, then you'll have to hook your lower voltage batteries up in series.

AC & DC Voltages & Currents are Dangerous!

Here's a chart showing it only takes a few milliamps to go from one hand to the other to have really bad things happen.

Your skin is a pretty good insulator. The problem is your blood is a pretty good conductor. Your skin can be breached as low as 30V; less if it's humid or you're wet.

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You can do a lot of things to enhance safety. For example, you'll see in some of the show & tell posts where people have put plexiglass boxes around DC circuit breakers so only the breaker lever is exposed, batteries stored in a "locked" container.


We should start a "safety tips" thread; for example: When working with live systems turn off the power first and wait a week for it to de-energize... then use rubber shoes and keep one hand tied behind your back. ;-)
 
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1 safety tip never given here for some reason, or well, not mentioned anyways...
* is never have battery bus bars without protective covers to prevent accidental contact.
* When shutting down a large inverter, discharge the AC Side as they retain LOT power in the capacitors that can zot you.

One good safety tip many don't consider... put a rubber horse mat on the floor of your power centre especially if there is ever a chance of wet / damp conditions... Often on sale for cheap: https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/4-ft-x-6-ft-x-3-4-in-thick-rubber-stall-mat

Any voltage can be dangerous but the more Amps behind it, the higher the danger you face. 24/48/72 volts won't matter much.
 
Being an old hand at this (notice I didn't say 'Smart' or 'Expert'...)

Being off grid, my battery bank is larger than most,
And I tried to explain POSITIVE DISCONNECTS (Anderson Connector) and strings that have to be Unplugged (DISCONNECTED) BEFORE you could service the battery string...
(They work equally well as low budget disconnects between batteries & inverter)

Anderson (or any shielded) connector keeps terminals apart, you have to TRY to zap yourself with an Anderson connector since the terminals aren't exposed...

Cable connections and 'gadgets' BELOW the bench top where you couldn't accidently contact the terminals...

As near as either of us can remember, it's been 14 years since we had a power failure.
Neither of us will forget the cause,
The "Great Squirrel Roasting Of '05"!
Tested my then new fire suppression system...

When I say to seal up against 'Environmental Factors' that includes pets & rodents!
(And "know-it-all" DIY's that won't turn anything off before fiddling around! ;) )

The ONE saving grace of DC is you have to be contacting both poles, just touching a hot terminal won't nail your shorts to the floor and have you wringing electrons out of your arm for an hour like AC will...

People think I'm goofy, but that sticky red/purple battery terminal spray will save you a lot of grief.
If you think it's messy, cut some stencils out to keep it off everything but the terminals.
Not only does it slow down tarnish/corrosion on your terminal stacks (I hate terminal stacks) but it works as a thread locker to keep the stack somewhat tightened, and it dries as a partial insulation from the terminal.
Anyone that has stuck their finger in that stuff Once probably won't want to do it again because it stays somewhat sticky.
This is, of course after you have everything worked out and final assembled...

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The difference between DIY's and full on Off Grid/work-a-day powered guys is DIY's like to look at their work and/or show it off.

Nothing in the world wrong with that, BE PROUD of what you do, what you have learned!

I would suggest a piece (or two) of glass, Lexan or Plexiglass between our work and curious fingers.
If you have kids in the house, dad is the hero and they WILL want to be like dad, no matter what you tell them.

Pets, particularly cats, will get into and poke at EVERYTHING.

I've found it easy to solder a nut onto, or drill and tap a 90° angle brackets to mount a sheet of some thing non-conductive over the work.
If it's a flat board, screws/studs/bolts/all thread long enough for tubing to hold the sheet away from your work and wing nuts on the face...
Screw the threaded shaft into the backing board, throw a nut on both sides (if needed),
Use tubing to space the insulator panel out off your work,
Use nuts outside to hold insulator panel against the tubing.
(Polished copper tubing looks cool too!)

I also have one in a 'Case' type enclosure, and use the two sliding panels like doctor office windows often have.
I think it ran about $20 at the big box store...
 
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