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Future of DIY LiFePO4 looks bleak…

i think the battery storage 'market' in the UK will increase significantly in the next couple of years. there are probably tens of thousands of solar power arrays that get paid for producing energy but feed most of it back to the grid and then have to buy it back later in the evening/early morning - I am one of them !!

as an example we 'harvested' over 3000KW last year, for which we received just over £1000, but the reality is the way the Feed in Tariff system works, we would still have received that amount had we stored that energy and used it ourselves, rather than pay our energy provider to let us have our energy back, so it makes sense financially. Our initial set up cost for the solar array has now been recovered and rather than just buy more energy (or rather, the energy we need but at a much higher cost) i am happy to let the solar now 'pay' for a home battery storage system.

we are also on an energy tariff where we get 4 hours off peak electricity (12am until 4am) at around 7 pence per kw but outside of those times we pay around 40p per kw - if we are able to capture all the produced energy and use it ourselves during peak periods, it would equate to a saving of £1200 per year, however, realistically if we could recoup just 50% of that it would be a big enough saving, but one of the benefits would also be that when the solar isnt 'producing' between 12am and 4am, we could buy energy at 7p per KW, store it in the battery bank and then use that stored energy later in the day when it would usually cost us 40p per KW !


a 13KW battery would give us 10kw (so as not to run it at its max) - so 70p to give us 10kw or £4 of electricity or £1.40 to give us 20kw or £8 of electricity if we doubled our battery storage. So to me it makes financial sense IF i can keep the costs down on the battery install. When the solar starts to produce later in the day then any excess will go into the batteries, reducing costs even further.
 
Aliexpress for the 11.11, best i could see is 417€ for a 2.5kWh 12V 200Ah pack, that something like 0.18€ per Wh.
Found a rebate code : 367€ now.
 
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i think the battery storage 'market' in the UK will increase significantly in the next couple of years. there are probably tens of thousands of solar power arrays that get paid for producing energy but feed most of it back to the grid and then have to buy it back later in the evening/early morning - I am one of them !!

as an example we 'harvested' over 3000KW last year, for which we received just over £1000, but the reality is the way the Feed in Tariff system works, we would still have received that amount had we stored that energy and used it ourselves, rather than pay our energy provider to let us have our energy back, so it makes sense financially. Our initial set up cost for the solar array has now been recovered and rather than just buy more energy (or rather, the energy we need but at a much higher cost) i am happy to let the solar now 'pay' for a home battery storage system.

we are also on an energy tariff where we get 4 hours off peak electricity (12am until 4am) at around 7 pence per kw but outside of those times we pay around 40p per kw - if we are able to capture all the produced energy and use it ourselves during peak periods, it would equate to a saving of £1200 per year, however, realistically if we could recoup just 50% of that it would be a big enough saving, but one of the benefits would also be that when the solar isnt 'producing' between 12am and 4am, we could buy energy at 7p per KW, store it in the battery bank and then use that stored energy later in the day when it would usually cost us 40p per KW !


a 13KW battery would give us 10kw (so as not to run it at its max) - so 70p to give us 10kw or £4 of electricity or £1.40 to give us 20kw or £8 of electricity if we doubled our battery storage. So to me it makes financial sense IF i can keep the costs down on the battery install. When the solar starts to produce later in the day then any excess will go into the batteries, reducing costs even further.
Hi which one provider has 7p electricity? as i need to work my x96 lifepo4 138Ah blades somehow soon from ali

my batteries are from at here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004860486048.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.0.0.21ef18024yK4yl
paid 25£/28$ per 1kw no sure what to expect really:))
 
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Hi which one provider has 7p electricity? as i need to work my x96 lifepo4 138Ah blades somehow soon from ali

my batteries are from at here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004860486048.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.0.0.21ef18024yK4yl
paid 25£/28$ per 1kw no sure what to expect really:))
Random number store with zero reviews.
I hope you used a credit card. These stores are famous, they found a security hole and were inserting fake tracking and delivery notices.

What to expect? They will tell you it was delivered and they will give the fake tracking to aliexpress who will NOT take your side. I hope you have a good credit card bank.
 
Aliexpress for the 11.11, best i could see is 417€ for a 2.5kWh 12V 200Ah pack, that something like 0.18€ per Wh.
Found a rebate code : 367€ now.
$600 for 100Ah @ 24V is under $0.2345/Wh - best I’ve seen yet through Amazon in the US (though know nothing about vender or product quality).

For purposes of comparison, 12V lead-acid batteries cost over $100 for 50Ah of usable capacity, or over 2/3 of this price (but that’s usable versus maximum, so if we sweat the LiFePO4 to 80% usable, it’s 190% the cost (but for 3-5 times the cycle life).
 
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$600 for 100Ah @ 24V is under $0.21/kWh - best I’ve seen yet through Amazon in the US (though know nothing about vender or product quality).

For purposes of comparison, 12V lead-acid batteries cost over $100 for 50Ah of usable capacity, or over 2/3 of this price (but that’s usable versus maximum, so if we sweat the LiFePO4 to 80% usable, it’s 190% the cost (but for 3-5 times the cycle life).
$289 for 100Ah @ 12V with a $38 discount coupon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLNM1T9...lja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ&th=1

$319-38 = $281 for 1.44kWh = $0.195 / kWh.

I believe it’s just a matter of time before we see larger capacity LiFePO4 batteries of higher quality for under $0.20/lWh.

Using Signature Solar batteries as a reference, currently $1500 for 5.1kWh = $0.294/kWh, a ~33% price reduction is on the horizon of the next 1-3 years (assuming no inflation).
 
$289 for 100Ah @ 12V with a $38 discount coupon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLNM1T9...lja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ&th=1

$319-38 = $281 for 1.44kWh = $0.195 / kWh.

I believe it’s just a matter of time before we see larger capacity LiFePO4 batteries of higher quality for under $0.20/lWh.

Using Signature Solar batteries as a reference, currently $1500 for 5.1kWh = $0.294/kWh, a ~33% price reduction is on the horizon of the next 1-3 years (assuming no inflation).
280Ah @ 12V for $1200 with a $200 discount coupon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BB1GD8Q...jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

That’s $1000 for 4.0kWh or $0.248/kWh.

That’s 27% more expensive than the lower-capacity offering I found, but the trend is clear.

This battery is 15% cheaper than Signature Solar’s offering…
 
280Ah @ 12V for $1200 with a $200 discount coupon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BB1GD8Q...jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

That’s $1000 for 4.0kWh or $0.248/kWh.

That’s 27% more expensive than the lower-capacity offering I found, but the trend is clear.

This battery is 15% cheaper than Signature Solar’s offering…
Finally i bought those :
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3.2*16*90 = 4.6 kWh for 590€ => that's 0.12€ per Wh... still have to revceive them and test them.
I payed 590€ but i got a 5% cashback on the way (5% on the price without VAT) : 490*5 = 24€
In total they will cost (if all go as planned) : 575 €.
I took this 16S option cause i'm able to build a 24V or 48V pack with them and since i got one 24V and one 48V inverter .. it's good.
 

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$289 for 100Ah @ 12V with a $38 discount coupon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLNM1T9...lja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ&th=1

$319-38 = $281 for 1.44kWh = $0.195 / kWh.

I believe it’s just a matter of time before we see larger capacity LiFePO4 batteries of higher quality for under $0.20/lWh.

Using Signature Solar batteries as a reference, currently $1500 for 5.1kWh = $0.294/kWh, a ~33% price reduction is on the horizon of the next 1-3 years (assuming no inflation).
I do not know those batteries but i would not buy those 12V/24V for some reasons :
- Most of the time we do not know what's inside ... pouch or prismatic (i'm for prismatic, easier to repair or dissasemble)
- Many of them got used cells, it's also true for prismatic sold but .. here .. you can't see the cells inside when buying.. making it more prone to those cases imo.
- You pay the BMS and most off the time .. they are shitty BMS...

When brands are known, those rules can be partially false cause we kind know what's inside so .. you know what you are buying.
 
@Honuz - do realize that Liitokala doesn't have the best reputation...
Like this one : https://diysolarforum.com/threads/varicore-3-2v-90ah-lifepo4-cells-from-aliexpress.9403/post-176777
or this one : https://diysolarforum.com/threads/liitokala-varicore-90ah-cell-test.12209/
or this one : https://diysolarforum.com/threads/liitokala-varicore-90ah-cell-test.12209/post-173748

Could you point me to the "bad reputation" links ?
I already got litokala (20Ah) and even if they are not perfect, they are pretty good for the price.

This one is negative : https://diysolarforum.com/threads/liitokala-varicore-90ah-cell-test.12209/post-454676
But i'm not even sure the guy tested them correctly .. so ..

Seller got 98% positive review on this product :

Packaging seems pretty good :
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But i do not expect perfect cells, even if the meet 70Ah it's : 4kWh => 590/4000 = still 0.15€ per Wh.
That's higher then what i had my Eve (1500/(16*3.2*280)= 0.101$/Wh but since prices as risen, it's still pretty good.
Anyway, i will post a test upon receiving them.
 
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Thanks for the links, i see your point now, i'ts the lotery .. let me see how lucky i am ... ;)
Some critics are not fair, but some are .. !
 
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I think your decimals are off. $200 per kWh or $0.20 per Watt. I agree that is a lot higher than in the past when the price was $125 per Watt three years ago.
Thanks. It was an unneeded ‘k’ (fixed).

I guess it’s pretty much reflexive - type it without thinking and then don’t even see it when I proofread…
 
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