UTILIZING GRID TIE INVERTER OFF GRID - $100 REWARD FOR SOLUTION

joesmith123 · Mar 3, 2023

400bird said:
You are mis quoting yourself.
There's an and between the UL number and the CSA number. UL and CSA are two different organizations.

Page 85 says, "UL 1741, CSA"

400bird · Mar 3, 2023

Got it, you're stubborn. Understood.

ImAnIdiotPleaseBePatient · Mar 3, 2023

joesmith123 said:
Page 85 says, "UL 1741, CSA"

the context is probably something like this

joesmith123 · Mar 3, 2023

400bird said:
Got it, you're stubborn. Understood.

If it said 1741 CSA then it would lower wattage into the grid, but if its says 1741, CSA it wont? Thats your statement?

ImAnIdiotPleaseBePatient · Mar 3, 2023

The first "SA" product I believe was SMA in 2016. I think you are SOL on that front.

robby · Mar 3, 2023

42OhmsPA said:
Others won't get into bed for it ?

And those who will are probably not good for your health? ? ????

42OhmsPA · Mar 3, 2023

joesmith123 said:
If it said 1741 CSA then it would lower wattage into the grid, but if its says 1741, CSA it wont? Thats your statement?

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summit · Mar 3, 2023

here is the "CSA" certification, nothing to do with UL1741SA

Certification

CSA Group provides product testing, inspection, and certification services to Canada, the U.S., Europe, and worldwide. We can help you break into new markets with efficient and reliable product certification services. CSA Group is an internationally-recognized product certification agency.

www.csagroup.org

ImAnIdiotPleaseBePatient · Mar 3, 2023

I have an alternative solution for you....
-Sell the 6000 watt inverter to someone that can get use out of it.
-Sell prius battery to someone that can get use out of it.
-Build 48v DIY battery pack
-Buy 6500watt voltronic-based inverter

Total cost should be pretty low for this solution.

joesmith123 · Mar 3, 2023

I want to take the chance the pvi6000 is 1741 csa complaint (i know you will think i am wrong, i understand)

Now, what does that mean exactly? How would I hook it up for the first test?

joesmith123 · Mar 3, 2023

ImAnIdiotPleaseBePatient said:
I have an alternative solution for you....
-Sell the 6000 watt inverter to someone that can get use out of it.
-Sell prius battery to someone that can get use out of it.
-Build 48v DIY battery pack
-Buy 6500watt voltronic-based inverter

Total cost should be pretty low for this solution.

Those ideas are possible until i exhaust what i have

In this setup, will there be solar panels feeding the "voltronic based" inverter?

42OhmsPA · Mar 3, 2023

joesmith123 said:
Now, what does that mean exactly? How would I hook it up for the first test?

+ to +
- to -
N to N
G to G
Should be a good start.

ImAnIdiotPleaseBePatient · Mar 3, 2023

joesmith123 said:
Those ideas are possible until i exhaust what i have

In this setup, will there be solar panels feeding the "voltronic based" inverter?

Yes, they have a pretty large input for panels. I think around 9000 watts.

ImAnIdiotPleaseBePatient · Mar 3, 2023

joesmith123 said:
I want to take the chance the pvi6000 is 1741 csa complaint (i know you will think i am wrong, i understand)

Now, what does that mean exactly? How would I hook it up for the first test?

Please keep us posted!

joesmith123 · Mar 3, 2023

42OhmsPA said:
+ to +
- to -
N to N
G to G
Should be a good start.

Yes of course. What I need to know:

What do i need to add to the system? So far we have 2011 prius pushing out 220 vdc into a pvi6000, then i have a regular small house panel

What do i need to add to it? Some are saying get a 12V-240VAC inverter and connect that parallel to the pvi6000

What would be the cheapest way to go to test this thing out?

joesmith123 · Mar 3, 2023

ImAnIdiotPleaseBePatient said:
Please keep us posted!

Yes of course, I will document it all on tiktok and share the links, I will NOT turn it on unless I have a camera setup recording, we are all going to find out together

ImAnIdiotPleaseBePatient · Mar 3, 2023

DISCLAIMER DO NOT DO THIS:
I dunno if it would be enough to generate current (you should only need voltage) but a benchtop power supply plugged into the battery input of a cheapass inverter, and then AC from that cheapass inverter output to the AC input of your 6000watt

42OhmsPA · Mar 3, 2023

joesmith123 said:
Yes of course. What I need to know:

What do i need to add to the system? So far we have 2011 prius pushing out 220 vdc into a pvi6000, then i have a regular small house panel

What do i need to add to it? Some are saying get a 12V-240VAC inverter and connect that parallel to the pvi6000

What would be the cheapest way to go to test this thing out?

It's beyond my current scope of knowledge so I won't offer bad or dangerous advice.
I'd definitely add good fast blow fuses (name brand class T or the like.)

summit · Mar 3, 2023

joesmith123 said:
You're energy into looking at the manual is TREMENDOUSLY appreciated

"garden variety grid tie inverter" - what does "garden variety" mean?

Extinguisher - of course, i will more than report, I will get videos etc and put them on tiktok and send links to everyone

"What price range are we talking about here?" Price range of what exactly?

"What kind of load?" Its powering a tiny home, one person, some ac and one fridge, nothing crazy

"CT pick up coil" - Can I add this to the pvi6000 and make it work?

"$269 item you are referencing" Are you saying to get this item and add to the pvi6000 and it could possibly work?

I've read so many of these inverter manuals, pertinent info are usually at more less the same area.

"garden variety" - nothing special about this particular grid-tie (GT), it is not "smart", not "Italian" special, and it's functionality is passe. Not to say it is no longer valuable, but be realistic of its capability.

Price-range: how much is the budget to get your tiny home going ? $1000 ? $500 ? $10K ?
Tiny-house for 1 person, some AC/fridge, nothing crazy ===~5kwh/day ? max draw ~3kw (1kw for heatpump etc), 2kw may work, but need to budget & rotate usage

piv6000 doesn't mention CT input any where, not in the design.

The $269 PowMr is an All-in-One: PV (or Prius) input, 240vac output (but not 120vac - need step-down transformer), small 24vdc (not sure if it'll operate w/o a battery), can generate a fake grid to turn on the piv6000; but you would still have to deal with load dump, as I don't think the piv6000 can throttle

will there be solar PV as source ? or just the Prius ? again, what model Prius ? is it a plugin ? how many pure electric miles can it go ?

joesmith123 · Mar 3, 2023

ImAnIdiotPleaseBePatient said:
DISCLAIMER DO NOT DO THIS:
I dunno if it would be enough to generate current (you should only need voltage) but a benchtop power supply plugged into the battery input of a cheapass inverter, and then AC from that cheapass inverter output to the AC input of your 6000watt

I dont know what "benchtop power supply" means

I understand a car battery hooked up to a 12v-240vac inverter, then L1 L2 N hooked up to pvi6000

Are we in agreement?

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