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December PV starting off crappy again.

The heat capacity of water is x5 higher than dry sand, gram per gram. The sand is more dense, x1.8, lets call it x2. So you need 2.5x as much dry sand to equal the same heat capacity as water at the same temperatures. The benefit of the sand is you can heat it far hotter than water, ie without a phase change. If you fill a set volume with water, and heat it to 95C (100C being the boiling point near sealevel) you would need to heat the same volume of sand about 2.5 times as hot to be the same energy storage. Any heat recapture system will need to be able to operate at these temperatures.

I played with some figures based on water - since I have lots of that, and it would be easy to move this heat around.
For a 100-million btu heating season, and assuming the water temperture needs to be at least 40C to provide any meaningful heating, the delta t is about 55C-degrees.
100-million BTU's /55C-degrees/ 4btu/degreeC = 454 cubic meters of water storage (120,000USGallons) if I had zero losses... so I cut firewood instead. ;)
 
The heat capacity of water is x5 higher than dry sand, gram per gram. The sand is more dense, x1.8, lets call it x2. So you need 2.5x as much dry sand to equal the same heat capacity as water at the same temperatures. The benefit of the sand is you can heat it far hotter than water, ie without a phase change. If you fill a set volume with water, and heat it to 95C (100C being the boiling point near sealevel) you would need to heat the same volume of sand about 2.5 times as hot to be the same energy storage. Any heat recapture system will need to be able to operate at these temperatures.

I played with some figures based on water - since I have lots of that, and it would be easy to move this heat around.
For a 100-million btu heating season, and assuming the water temperture needs to be at least 40C to provide any meaningful heating, the delta t is about 55C-degrees.
100-million BTU's /55C-degrees/ 4btu/degreeC = 454 cubic meters of water storage (120,000USGallons) if I had zero losses... so I cut firewood instead. ;)
I’m with you. I can conceptualize it but building it?
Phhfft no way.
I can cut some firewood though!!

Now where did I leave that wood stove?
 
I could automatically set mine up that way but right now it’s a manual recharge.
I just don’t like using Grid if I don’t have too.
That's why I set it up this way. I only use the bare minimum grid.
In the morning the solar blends in with the grid. And increases until the grid is blended out.
 
I do it manually, to make use of ToU rates for the grid I need (half the price of on peak grid) and I watch the weather forecast, since we get utility outages pretty darn often during winter. If I see stormy weather coming, I set the system to fully charge the ESS to 100% in case of a power outage. Then with rationing we will be good for days during a storm, and it's not like I would get any meaningful PV during a winter storm.
 
I do it manually, to make use of ToU rates for the grid I need (half the price of on peak grid) and I watch the weather forecast, since we get utility outages pretty darn often during winter. If I see stormy weather coming, I set the system to fully charge the ESS to 100% in case of a power outage. Then with rationing we will be good for days during a storm, and it's not like I would get any meaningful PV during a winter storm.
My TOU rate is. Whatever time I use it I pay the same amount. lol
 
I haven't adjusted my lifestyle at all.
me either!, with the small exceptions:
spending time doing solar research,
installing solar panels, wiring, fuses, disconnects,
setting up inverters, powering my business, powing my home next door,
ordering cells, waiting for cells, building DIY batteries, top balancing cells,
Adding more house loads, adding more inverter output, adding more batteries, adding more PV
spending a good number of hours reading and commenting on DIY solar forum...
yeah other than that, everything is exactly as it was before this Solar Power Plant was in my life... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
My system just automatically uses whatever grid is needed to keep the batteries from dropping below 48v.
The way my PLC is programmed right now, if I leave it alone, the inverter will just drop to standby and the house will un off grid power when the battery voltage drops below 50.5 That works out to about 45% SoC on my 14S Li NMC cells.

As I type this, it is midnight, and the battery is at 51.1 volts. It might make it to 2 or 3 am at this point. If the sun comes out, the DC panels charge it no matter what, but for the XW-Pro to go into charge mode, the Enphase solar has to produce 400 watts more than the house is using. I do that, because the minimum charge rate of the XW is about 400 watts. When the weather is at all decent, this works out great. I don't pull any grid power past what little I needed before sun rise. Then it charges from excess solar. But in this poor weather, I might not get enough. The system does not "think" about how much was made or used. So I have been running on battery all night and it's running out and may not charge much tomorrow.

So I will manually set it to charge at just 400 watts when I go to bed (soon). That will push over 3 KWHs into the battery instead of trying to pull out 6 KWHs running the house. Yes, I will pull 10 KWHs from grid to do that. At 27 cents, maybe $3 to make it through yet another cloudy day. So Cal Edison is estimating my month end bill will end up about $25 ending about Dec 18th. But I have already banked a fair bit of energy credit from export, so my bill should still zero out.

Today it was sunny in the morning, then some clouds from 11 to 1, and a little more sun until 4 pm as the shadows were on 1/3 of the panels. The Enphase system made a decent 13.2 KWHs and the DC panels made 4 KWHs. 17.2 KWHs total from 6.8 KW of panels.

I just started it charging from grid. Goodnight.
 
The heat capacity of water is x5 higher than dry sand, gram per gram. The sand is more dense, x1.8, lets call it x2. So you need 2.5x as much dry sand to equal the same heat capacity as water at the same temperatures. The benefit of the sand is you can heat it far hotter than water, ie without a phase change. If you fill a set volume with water, and heat it to 95C (100C being the boiling point near sealevel) you would need to heat the same volume of sand about 2.5 times as hot to be the same energy storage. Any heat recapture system will need to be able to operate at these temperatures.

I played with some figures based on water - since I have lots of that, and it would be easy to move this heat around.
For a 100-million btu heating season, and assuming the water temperture needs to be at least 40C to provide any meaningful heating, the delta t is about 55C-degrees.
100-million BTU's /55C-degrees/ 4btu/degreeC = 454 cubic meters of water storage (120,000USGallons) if I had zero losses... so I cut firewood instead. ;)
I've been reading in the forums over on Hearth.com. Interesting reading when it comes to buffer tanks. The move has been towards gasification boilers combined with buffer tanks. Some are building buffer tanks out of 500 gallon or larger LP tanks, using spray foam insulation on the tanks after modifying and cleaning the tanks.

The idea is an efficient burn with only firing the boiler once a day or 1.5 days. UpNorthandpersonal uses a gasification boiler with about 800 gallons of storage. https://medium.com/@upnorthandoffgrid/6-heating-systems-5c5727c1607e

OzSolar uses an even bigger buffer tank and fires once a week. https://diysolarforum.com/threads/feast-or-famine-the-off-grid-solar-dilemma.63293/post-809392

Using an air to water heat pump with a large buffer tank is probably the way of the future. 1500 gallons of water heated on days of good sun to be able to go thru the days of no sun.
 
Interesting info. I suppose I could do the same thing with my coal stove, I've been telling myself I should add a hot water coil for years... I'll have to read into this more later.
Thanks.
 
Interesting info. I suppose I could do the same thing with my coal stove, I've been telling myself I should add a hot water coil for years... I'll have to read into this more later.
Thanks.
Most of the buffer tanks out there will work well with solar as a dump load or using a water to air heat pump combined with a wood boiler. I like the flexibility of using the buffer tanks. I think it certainly would help with days of limited PV production and allows for using heat from different sources based upon the seasonal temps.

I planned on adding an electric hot water heater as dump load, glad I did not make that move yet.
 
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