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Can Solar & Wind Fix Everything (e.g., Climate Change) with a battery break-through?

The earth has been through many ice ages, so I don't think warming/cooling is denied by anyone.
(except those who believe the Earth didn't exist prior to 6000 years ago.)

Which for me is like, seriously, what is the "control" point here.

They can look backwards at other inter-glacials for temp and plant life data but all that is super low resolution but then go right ahead and try and ascribe normal localized weather disasters to C02 output.

Not to mention they ignore "recent" historical data when making their claims. "hottest weather in 100 years".

So yeah, in 1920 it was hotter.
 
Everyone needs to really get their facts before the whole CO2 bogeyman even gets discussed.

Each fact on this site is hyperlinked to research from real scientists (not political scientists)


Fact #1
CO2

140-million-year trend of dangerously decreasing CO2.​

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Fact #2
CO2 vs Temperature CO2

The warming effect of each molecule of CO2 declines as its concentration increases​

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Fact #3
Food Security CO2

First and foremost, CO2 is plant food.​

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Fact #4
CO2

In the last four glacial advances, the CO2 level was dangerously low.​

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Fact #5
CO2

CO2 emissions began accelerating in the mid-20th century​

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Fact #6
CO2

Our current geologic period (Quaternary) has the lowest average CO2 levels in the last 600 million years​

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Fact #7
CO2

Current CO2 levels are near record lows. We are CO2 impoverished.​

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Fact #8
CO2

More CO2 means more plant growth.​

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Fact #9
Food Security CO2

More CO2 helps to feed more people worldwide.​

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Fact #10
Temperature CO2 vs Temperature

Modern warming began more than 300 years ago…​

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Fact #11
Temperature

Melting glaciers confirm modern warming predated increases of CO2​

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Fact #12
Temperature

Rising sea levels confirm modern warming predated increases of CO2​

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Fact #13
Temperature

Temperatures changed dramatically during the past 10,000 years. It wasn’t us.​

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Fact #14
Temperature

Interglacials usually last 10,000 – 15,000 years. Ours is 11,000 years old.​

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Fact #15
Temperature

The last interglacial was 8°C (14°F) warmer than today. The polar bears survived. Greenland didn’t melt.​

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Fact #16
Temperature

The current warming trend is neither unusual nor unprecedented (Part 1).​

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Fact #17
Temperature

The current warming trend is neither unusual nor unprecedented (Part 2).​

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Fact #18
Temperature

Earth’s orbit and tilt drive glacial-interglacial changes.​

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Fact #19
Temperature

We are living in one of the coldest periods in all of Earth’s history.​

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Fact #20
Temperature

For most of Earth’s history, it was about 10°C (18°F) warmer than today.​

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Fact #21
Temperature

IPCC models have overstated warming up to three times too much.​

 
How much of that IR light as already been blocked? What incremental difference would doubling CO2 make?

Which is a confusing concept. It doesn't "block" the incoming radiation. That blocking also heats the air if that makes sense.

In the same way a dark greenhouse window blocks radiation coming into the greenhouse and keeps it cooler, the surface of said glass is warmer.

In this case the "glass" and air in the greenhouse are the same thing.
 
The earth is flat and when the reset happens it will flip up side down and ppl in middle earthwill emerge from the point of power to rule once again. You know you know…. Look lizard ppl. No gravity antigravity vehicles. Hahaha 😀🤣🥷🏻

No shit there was a study that explained humans were responsible for the co2 so the solution was to reduce our population to ~1/2 billion.
DEI top listers will take over. Hahaha 🤡😀🤣

In the mean time: Plants love co2… grow more plants.

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It is natural. Just remember when driving around and see the cops behind you that they are really following you. If you turn and then they turn they are really following you. Make another turn…..

Do solar panels absorb or do they reflect. Are there negative measurable by products as in emissions vs just the obvious wattage power output from solar panels.
 
Full Stop.
The whole "CO2 Bad" is the biggest scam since Covid.

One of my first jobs was at a green house. I had to make sure the CO2 machines stayed running. They had these machines that turned propane into CO2.

If it is so bad why did the greenhouse spend money on machines and propane to make it.
 
One of my first jobs was at a green house. I had to make sure the CO2 machines stayed running. They had these machines that turned propane into CO2.

If it is so bad why did the greenhouse spend money on machines and propane to make it.
Just curious, were they on year-round, winter, or summer? Curious if the CO2 was plant food or to keep the greenhouse warm. :unsure:
FYI: link for how plants do with CO2
 
Just curious, were they on year-round, winter, or summer? Curious if the CO2 was plant food or to keep the greenhouse warm. :unsure:
FYI: link for how plants do with CO2

Bruh, what was the C02 content off the atmosphere during the time period that vegetation grew at a rate to then decay and compress into 1000 foot thick formations of oil and lizards that could grab onto you, make you their bitch and then eat ten of you for breakfast when they were done.
 
The mental goofiness here.

Apparently the global warming enthusiasts cannot see that warmth and C02 are good for life.

Thats why its not used as an argument. Its just revolves around the weather.
 
Just curious, were they on year-round, winter, or summer? Curious if the CO2 was plant food or to keep the greenhouse warm. :unsure:
FYI: link for how plants do with CO2

In the summer they ran in all the greenhouses, both the ones customers had access to as well as the grow houses. They closed up shop in the winter, and the staff went way down, and I moved to part time. That was ok as I was still in high school at the time. Swing by after school, check the machines, swap out the containers. 100gal propane containers are HEAVY, you just roll them on the base like you do with welding gas and the like. Start the machine back up. An easy couple hours.....then off to chase girls.

But yes year round in the not public areas, and during the season in the customer areas.

So basically both.
 
IIRC it only takes ~25% increase in CO2 to DOUBLE plant growth. (More food and CO2 gets removed faster. IOW we really can't significantly affect CO2 levels.)

Arable land keeps increasing up to a 6°C increase from current temps before levelling off. Again, a positive.
 
...They closed up shop in the winter, and the staff went way down, and I moved to part time. That was ok as I was still in high school at the time. Swing by after school, check the machines, swap out the containers. 100gal propane containers are HEAVY, ... But yes year round in the not public areas, and during the season in the customer areas.
Wrestling heavy containers builds character! ; -)

Thanks for the information, love getting things from people that have the practice rather than the theory! What type of plants did they grow? You mentioned customer areas and closing in the winter which makes me think of landscaping plants rather than things like food in the winter.

IIRC it only takes ~25% increase in CO2 to DOUBLE plant growth. (More food and CO2 gets removed faster.
My searches show it depends on the plant, possible with C3s (e.g., 40-100%, ref). But, for example, while it increases growth in wheat it also decreases nutritional value. ref

Most plants (including soybeans, rice, canola, and all trees) are C3 because they fix CO2 first into a carbohydrate containing three carbon atoms. Corn, sorghum, and sugarcane belong to a special group of plants known as C4, so-called because they first fix CO2 into a four-carbon carbohydrate during photosynthesis. On average, C4 crops are 60 percent more productive than C3 crops.

When crops are grown in elevated CO2 that mimic future atmospheric conditions, research shows that C3 crops can become more productive while some experiments suggest that C4 crops would be no more productive in a higher CO2 world. ref

But neither plants or humans are "safe" from global warming which increased CO2 causes. Keep in mind that 50 million years ago when it was last +4C over the IPCC baseline crocodiles lived on the Arctic island of Ellesmere [ref].

Rapid and massive changes to our current living conditions are already expensive to fix. For example, just looking at the "adjusted" costs to repair weather disasters is nearly a half trillion per year more expensive that it was in the '80s:

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IPCC is not a credible organization. Sorry to burst your bubble Svetz

IPCC models have overstated warming up to three times too much.​

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A detailed examination by John Christy, a distinguished climatologist at the University of Alabama at Huntsville and Alabama State Climatologist, provides a stark assessment of the validity (or non-validity) of the models that are used in support of imagined apocalypse. His testimony in February 2016 to the U.S. House Committee on Science, Space & Technology included remarkable charts that document just how much the models overestimate temperatures. The red line in the chart shows the average of 102 climate model runs completed by Christy and his team at the University of Alabama at Huntsville using the models on which the IPCC itself relies. Also shown on the chart are the actual, observed temperatures. The models exaggerate warming, on average, two and a half times the actual temperature (or three times over in the climate-crucial tropics).

Source(s): Christy, J.R., McNider, R.T. Satellite bulk tropospheric temperatures as a metric for climate sensitivity. Asia-Pacific J Atmos Sci 53, 511–518 (2017). https://doi.org/10.1007
 
If C40 Cities’ climate aims are carried out, people will die.

Fourteen major American cities are part of a globalist climate organization known as the “C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group,” which has an “ambitious targetby the year 2030 of “0 kg [of] meat consumption,” “0 kg [of] dairy consumption,” “3 new clothing items per person per year,” “0 private vehicles” owned, and “1 short-haul return flight (less than 1500 km) every 3 years per person.”

C40’s dystopian goals can be found in its “The Future of Urban Consumption in a 1.5°C World” report, which was published in 2019 and reportedly reemphasized in 2023. The organization is headed and largely funded by Democrat billionaire Michael Bloomberg. Nearly 100 cities across the world make up the organization, and its American members include Austin, Boston, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New Orleans, New York City, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, San Francisco, Washington, D.C., and Seattle.

Media coverage of C40 Cities’ goals has been relatively sparse. The few media personalities and news outlets who have discussed it have been heavily attacked by the corporate “fact-checkers.” In a “fact check” aimed at conservative commentator Glenn Beck, AFP Fact Check claimed that the banning of meat and dairy and limits on air travel and clothing consumption were actually “not policy recommendations.”

AFP quotes a paragraph from the original “The Future of Urban Consumption in a 1.5°C World” report, which reads, “This report does not advocate for the wholesale adoption of these more ambitious targets in C40 cities; rather, they are included to provide a set of reference points that cities, and other actors, can reflect on when considering different emission-reduction alternatives and long-term urban visions.”

But this paragraph, likely included in the report as a liability in the case of pushback, seems to directly contradict the meaning of “target,” which in this context can be defined as a “desired goal.” The target of eliminating meat, dairy, and private vehicles by 2030 is “based on a future vision of resource-efficient production and extensive changes in consumer choices,” the report notes — something its authors clearly hope to bring about. If these were not their goals, they would not have labeled them “ambitious targets.”

The “fact-checker’s” insistence that C40 Cities’ explicitly stated climate goals are somehow insincere is even more unconvincing, given that we are watching them start to unfold right now. This year, in lockstep with C40 Cities’ 2030 aims, New York City Mayor Eric Adams announced that the city will place caps on the amount of meat and dairy served by city institutions, such as schools and prisons. Meanwhile, the U.K. has banned the sale of new gas-powered vehicles after 2030, and France has banned short-haul flights “to cut carbon emissions.”

In 2020, the World Economic Forum (which promotes C40 Cities on its website) introduced “The Great Reset,” which seeks to use the Covid-19 pandemic as a point from which to launch a global reset of society to supposedly combat climate change. This reset, however, has far more to do with social control than it does with the climate. If globalist leaders truly cared about the environment, they wouldn’t be chartering private jets or owning massive, energy-consuming mansions on the coast in California, which, by climate fanatics’ own calculation, will soon be underwater.

As the WEF plainly stated in a 2016 promotional video, by 2030 “You’ll own nothing, and you’ll be happy.”

Right now, hedge funds and private billionaires are buying up residential homes and farmland all over the world. At the same time, unrealistic zero-emissions policies are impoverishing Westerners and annihilating the middle class, which is fueling reliance on centralized government.
Such intentional steps backward also, ironically, harm the earth because wealthier nations are proven to have cleaner environments and put less strain on natural resources.

Climate activists are also advocating for “climate lockdowns,” in the same way there were Covid lockdowns. Ideas floated for a climate lockdown have ranged from shuttering people in their homes and restricting air travel to providing a Universal Basic Income and introducing a maximum income level.

Climate dystopianism doesn’t end there. WEF-linked “bioethicist” Dr. Matthew Liao has proposed the idea of scientists genetically modify humans to be allergic to meat. Liao has also discussed shrinking the physical size of humans via eugenics or hormone injections so they consume fewer resources.


All of these policy proposals appear even more unreasonable and illogical when we actually evaluate the data. According to the International Disaster Database, deaths related to extreme heat, floods, storms, and droughts have plummeted as C02 emissions have risen. The fossil fuel economy has provided billions of people with heating, air conditioning, weather warning systems, mass irrigation, and durable buildings.

Ultimately, the climate coalition’s goals are inherently anti-human. People generally need meat and the protein it provides to flourish. Banning meat and dairy, restricting calories, genetically altering the human body, and impoverishing the masses will hurt the planet and people. More likely than not, it will do more than hurt people — it will kill many of them.
 

How corrupt is government climate science?​


http://www.cfact.org/2016/04/09/how-corrupt-is-government-climate-science/

We know that the IPCC Summary for Policymakers (SPM) does not always reflect what is actually in the scientific chapters. But evidence is now emerging that the US State Dept has attempted to influence what was written in both the SPM and chapters.

Ron Arnold has this damning essay on CFACT:

Many have suspected that U.S. political intervention in climate science has corrupted the outcome. The new emergence of an old 1995 document from the U.S. State Department to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change confirms those suspicions, or at least gives the allegation credence enough to ask questions.
It’s troubling that a FOIA lawsuit came up empty – “no such correspondence in our files” – when the old 1995 document was requested from the U.S. State Department late last year. This raises a certain ironic question: If I have a copy of your document, how come you don’t?”
State’s response is also somewhat unbelievable because the document that fell into my hands showed State’s date-stamp, the signature of a State Department official and the names of persons still living – along with 30 pages of detailed instructions on how to change the IPCC’s science document and the summary for policymakers.
The document itself consists of a three-page cover letter to Sir John Houghton, head of IPCC Working Group I (Science), from Day Mount, Deputy Assistant Secretary, Acting, Environment and Development, United States Department of State, along with the thirty-page instruction set with line-by-line “suggestions,” written by scientist Robert Watson and others.
Among the more revealing tidbits is a remark scolding a scientist for being honest about the weakness of aerosol forcing data: “We clearly cannot use aerosol forcing as the trigger of our smoking gun, and then make a generalized appeal to uncertainty to exclude these effects from the forward-looking modeling analysis.”
One instruction was to change a correct statement about warming rates into a flat lie: “Change ‘continue to rise’ to ‘rise by even greater amounts’ to provide a sense of magnitude of the extended change.”
The entire document is too convoluted and technical to summarize here, so it is
posted here in PDF form for your detailed examination. The document posted here is unchanged and unaltered in any way from exactly what I received from a well known and credible source that must remain anonymous to avoid harm or retribution.
There is evidence that the document is authentic based on a specific mention in the 2000 Hoover Institution report by S. Fred Singer and Frederick Seitz, “
Climate Policy—From Rio to Kyoto: A Political Issue for 2000—and Beyond.”
The 1995 document raises 2016 questions about the State Department’s actions in the subsequent United National IPCC Assessment Reports. What did they do? Where are the correspondence and instructions to change the science in all the IPCC Assessments? What is the Obama State Department doing to corrupt climate science to its forward its radical social and political agenda? Some of that is obvious. It’s the clandestine part we need to know.
I don’t expect our government to answer truthfully. If they did, they might have to start a RICO investigation of themselves.
Read the State Department document and decide for yourself whether these questions are worth asking.

http://www.cfact.org/2016/04/09/how-corrupt-is-government-climate-science/
 
WOW! Just visited this thread after a long absence. If global warming isn't real how come you cant ice boat on the great south bay anymore?
Now Bicker!
 
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