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Trace SW4024 Tripping when load applied

Artklein

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Hello all. I posted a while back asking for advice on a failing (free-like-puppies) solar system and received a lot of great advice. After a few long nights and some days without power, I managed to test/clean/discard/charge the corroded or dead batteries and assembled a reduced but functioning battery bank and enclosed it (with venting). I've been saving up for a replacement battery bank and using the house on and off.

The system has been 100% fine since December, except last night the Trace SW4024 inverter tripped off at around 18:30 with a few appliances running. After looking around in the house for anything amiss, I found nothing (no tripped breakers or anything burning smelling). On inspecting the inverter, I found that it was on but not inverting, with the AC circuit breaker not tripped. The battery voltage reported by the inverter was 24.6 volts. I tried to turn on the inverter search mode, and that caused the inverter to die suddenly and restart with a little click sound. After some experimentation I found that the inverter trips every time it is in inverter mode and an AC load is applied (it can be in inverter mode with the AC breaker OFF, but as soon as you turn on the AC load from the house it dies suddenly and restarts). The inverter reports no errors, and the error light isn't on.

Everything appears normal with the batteries and connections. I left the inverter on for about 10 minutes and again this morning, and it is reporting battery voltage 24+ volts (rising as the morning sun came out). I turned the DC breaker and AC breaker off, and currently there is no power.

I am asking if anyone has any suggestions on further trouble-shooting tips. My plan is still to replace the batteries in the next months, but I had not planned to replace the inverter and hope to not have to. I remain a complete newbie besides the basics I have learned in the past few months. The house being without power is fine for some time, but would like to determine if I need to just have the inverter replaced or fix it if I can as soon as I can.

As always any and all insight is super appreciated. Hope you guys have a great day!

(the pictures are the old ones, the spider webs are gone now.)
 

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Hello all. I posted a while back asking for advice on a failing (free-like-puppies) solar system and received a lot of great advice. After a few long nights and some days without power, I managed to test/clean/discard/charge the corroded or dead batteries and assembled a reduced but functioning battery bank and enclosed it (with venting). I've been saving up for a replacement battery bank and using the house on and off.

The system has been 100% fine since December, except last night the Trace SW4024 inverter tripped off at around 18:30 with a few appliances running. After looking around in the house for anything amiss, I found nothing (no tripped breakers or anything burning smelling). On inspecting the inverter, I found that it was on but not inverting, with the AC circuit breaker not tripped. The battery voltage reported by the inverter was 24.6 volts. I tried to turn on the inverter search mode, and that caused the inverter to die suddenly and restart with a little click sound. After some experimentation I found that the inverter trips every time it is in inverter mode and an AC load is applied (it can be in inverter mode with the AC breaker OFF, but as soon as you turn on the AC load from the house it dies suddenly and restarts). The inverter reports no errors, and the error light isn't on.

Everything appears normal with the batteries and connections. I left the inverter on for about 10 minutes and again this morning, and it is reporting battery voltage 24+ volts (rising as the morning sun came out). I turned the DC breaker and AC breaker off, and currently there is no power.

I am asking if anyone has any suggestions on further trouble-shooting tips. My plan is still to replace the batteries in the next months, but I had not planned to replace the inverter and hope to not have to. I remain a complete newbie besides the basics I have learned in the past few months. The house being without power is fine for some time, but would like to determine if I need to just have the inverter replaced or fix it if I can as soon as I can.

As always any and all insight is super appreciated. Hope you guys have a great day!

(the pictures are the old ones, the spider webs are gone now.)

First, search mode is worthless if you have ANY need for power. Search mode is basically "OFF" and looking for a load by sending out an AC pulse at a much lower frequency to save power. If something tries to draw a load, the inverter turns on and operates regularly until loads drop below the search threshold.

Think of it as a shop application. When no one is in the shop, no power is needed for anything at all as no equipment plugged into the unit is drawing power for any reason; however, once you turn the lights on to enter and use the shop, the inverter turns on and operates normally. Once you're done and turn the lights out, the inverter goes to search mode. HOWEVER, if you have a shop fridge in the corner, you're screwed. That fridge needs power to run the circuitry even if the compressor isn't running.

Given the prior condition of your battery bank, you aren't just concerned with total voltage. you're just as concerned with the voltage of all components, i.e., each of the 6V elements. You may have some that are fine, but some at low voltage.

While typically bulletproof, Trace units are getting long in the tooth. I would expect your unit is 20+ years old as Xantrex acquired Trace in 1999. It might be dying, but I'd look everywhere else first.
 
I have an sw4024 inverter and in some cases when I pull too many amps, the circuit breaker trips.

It has also tripped on occasions when I was unsure what caused the tripping. However, it seems to trip less frequently after I balanced the loads in my service panel.

I circled the circuit breaker on the inverter model photo that looks like mine.

Also, it seems that a tripped gfi may have also caused the breaker on the inverter to trip.

Have you resolved your issue yet?
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I think these are thermal breakers.... They will trip with load and time.
Loads near the rating will trip them over time especially in hot ambient temperatures.
 
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