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How to use two Solis inverters

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I'm thinking of adding a second inverter to my setup. I have a 4.6kW Solis RHI 5G with 9.6kW battery, I'll be adding ~1.5kW additional inverter (no batteries). There are threads elsewhere that suggest this is possible but I have a few questions I'm hoping the community can help answer.

I want any excess solar to charge the batteries, whichever inverter is generating it. How do I do that?

Is there anything to be aware of regarding monitoring?

How do the two inverters get wired together? If the second inverter feeds into the first one (so it can charge the battery) does that affect first inverter's metrics (it feels like there might be double counting)?

Does the second inverter affect in any way the first inverter starting up or efficiency? I assume not, but sometimes these things go unmentioned.

Thanks all for any help,
 
From my discussions with Solis tech support, th two inverters can each run part of the consumer load, but can't be coupled together directly - there's no master/slave relationship possible. One support guy thought it was possible with the additional monitoring kit, but the other didn't - because of the confusion I've decided to use Sunsynks for my setup.
 
It should be possible to add a non-hybrid PV inverter to your setup. The RHI will detect any export from the other inverter and use it to charge its batteries if needed.

For monitoring you can get a cable to dasiy chain your datalogger to both inverters, but you need to change the address of one of them.
The non-hybrid inverter won't know how much is being exported, but that doesn't matter as the hybrid will monitor that.

Both inverters are connected to your house at the same point, each through its own breaker.

The two inverters are independent. They don't directly affect each other. The RHI just reacts to import/export currents and adjusts its mode according (charge/discharge).
 
You can connect the second inverter to the first using a separate MPPT. This way, any excess solar power can be directed to charge the batteries, regardless of which inverter is generating it.

Make sure your monitoring system can handle two inverters and check if there's any double counting in the metrics. The second inverter should not affect the first one's starting up or efficiency, as long as the setup is done correctly.
 
Thanks for the replies. My first inverter has only 2 MPPTs so I don't think I can connect the second directly to it.

And I don't think I need them to coordinate together (eg master slave) - I'm happy for them work independently.

Really I just want to get the power from both units used efficiently (eg charge battery when needed).

And so long as I can monitor them both in some way I'll be ok, I've got my own software so I can pull data from multiple sources and should be able to fix up any discrepancy.

I'll follow up here if/when I get this installed.
 
Thanks for the replies. My first inverter has only 2 MPPTs so I don't think I can connect the second directly to it.
There's no way I know of being able to connect the output of one Solis inverter to the MPPT of another.
And so long as I can monitor them both in some way I'll be ok, I've got my own software so I can pull data from multiple sources and should be able to fix up any discrepancy.
Some of us are connecting directly to the RS485/Modbus ports on our inverters and running our own monitoring/control software instead of or as well as using the optional dataloggers that send the readings back to Solis' servers in China.
 
I'm using the solis API at the moment, connecting directly to the modbus is very tempting! Another little project...

Does anyone know the behaviour here when the panels are all producing lots of power? Eg 4.5kW on inverter 1 and 1.5kW from inverter 2.
* If the house tries to draw 6kW will all that be powered by panels?
* If the battery needs charging will (hybrid) inverter 1 be able to put all this into it? I assume not, given it's a 4.6kW, so the excess is exported?
* Will this amount of power damage either inverter?

Thanks for all the help.
 
Here's my 2p worth, although @rpdom has covered most items already....

I'm thinking of adding a second inverter to my setup. I have a 4.6kW Solis RHI 5G with 9.6kW battery, I'll be adding ~1.5kW additional inverter (no batteries). There are threads elsewhere that suggest this is possible
Yes, that configuration is possible - I have similar configuration working with two Solis inverters.

I want any excess solar to charge the batteries, whichever inverter is generating it. How do I do that?
You don't need to do anything specific.

Let's assume your house load is using 500W, your additional inverter is generating 1000W and your RHI is generating 2000W, but the batteries are only half full.

The RHI will detect export to grid via your grid power meter and will reduce its output to try and get the export to zero. If there is still more power being exported when all of the RHI's PV power is being used to charge the batteries, the RHI will start charging "from grid". From grid in this case will be from the power that the additional inverter is generating.

So, what will happen is the house will be powered by 500W from the additional inverter, 500W from the additional inverter will be drawn by the RHI to charge batteries, together with its own 2000W. So you batteries will be charged by 2500W as you want.

Is there anything to be aware of regarding monitoring?
Up to you, either just monitor via CT clamps on the individual feeds or a more detailed RS485/modub as rpdom mentioned.

How do the two inverters get wired together?
The inverters will simply be AC-coupled both of them on the house side of your grid power meter. Obviously, you will need to ensure that the wiring and fusing between inverters and your CU is done to BS7671 standards and building regs Part-P, if applicable, and that they are sufficient for the additional power and that the fuses are chosen to correctly protect the wiring.

If the second inverter feeds into the first one (so it can charge the battery) does that affect first inverter's metrics (it feels like there might be double counting)?
Only, as detailed above, which is what you want.

Does the second inverter affect in any way the first inverter starting up or efficiency? I assume not, but sometimes these things go unmentioned.
No, they will act independently.

Thanks all for any help,
YW. The only other thing to consider is that you will need to get G99 approval from your DNO, prior to purchasing and installing your 2nd inverter. Depending on your local grid, your DNO, _may_ restrict the export you are allowed. This is not an issue as the RHI is already G100 export power scheme compliant, so you will just need to provide your DNO with the relevant G100 certs, diagrams of how it is configured etc, then set the RHI to limit its power to the value the DNO request.
 
Further answers to your questions you asked whilst I was replying above :)

I'm using the solis API at the moment, connecting directly to the modbus is very tempting! Another little project...
Yes - you can get a lot of info directly. I use my own monitoring anyway as I don't want any of my data sent to China.

Does anyone know the behaviour here when the panels are all producing lots of power? Eg 4.5kW on inverter 1 and 1.5kW from inverter 2.
* If the house tries to draw 6kW will all that be powered by panels?
Yes - with the caveat - as mentioned above - of the wiring being able to support the additional load (i.e. about 27A in total)

* If the battery needs charging will (hybrid) inverter 1 be able to put all this into it? I assume not, given it's a 4.6kW, so the excess is exported?
Only up to the limit of the RHI... which, for the 4.6kW RHI is, unfortunately, only 3kW maximum battery charge and discharge. I have an EH1P as well as the RHI, and the EH1P supports up to 5kW of battery charge/discharge.

What is the kWp of your existing and planned PV panels? Depending on your needs, maybe getting a 2nd EH1P of 5kW of above would be best for your existing panels and use the RHI in non-hybrid mode?

* Will this amount of power damage either inverter?
No. The inverters will only draw or delivery the power they are rated for. Any excess will be exported.
 
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