Solar rumors, need answers

JeepHammer said:

Anything man made will create pollution, so simply don't take your hardware as 'Disposable' or for granted...
The longer it's used, the more it offsets it's initial production pollution.

While the political/big energy argument has blown the pollution produced WAY out of proportion, for instance claiming the aluminum in the frames creates 10,000 times the pollution any other aluminum production does,
The silicone in solar panels creates 100,000 times, or more, pollution than the silicone for smart phones, etc.
Everything has its costs, no need to exaggerate the problem...

The 'Simple' truth is,
After the cost/pollution of creating the solar panels, there is no pollution in the service life.
While fossil fuel will turn 60% to 80% of those fossil fuels into NOTHING BUT pollution,
Burning fossil fuels is between 20% & 40% efficient, that's 80%-60% waste heat/pollution, and you can't change the laws of thermodynamics, it's always going to be that way.

Solar creates ZERO pollution during it's working life.

Once someone does large scale electro-chemical process for removing heavy metals from panels at the end of their lives, this *Can* be a closed cycle.
Right now it's not economically viable, so no one is doing it large scale.

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*IF* a CME (nature) decides to throw a fit, you will be good.
What gets through the magnetosphere won't effect your panels or electronics.

*IF* someone can pull together the multi-billion dollar (minimum) specialized nuclear device for an EMP,
Can get a lift vehicle to get that device into place inside the high atmosphere,
Have a guidence system to precisely locate that lift vehicle & nuclear device,
Can build a specialized launch platform for that lift vehicle,
And can track the ever moving magnetic field for the optimum place to park that EMP device,
Then you have to worry about something you can't do anything about.

Spare parts fixes anything an EMP can do...
Solar Panels, likely not effected by EMP, will charge batteries directly, YOU will have to monitor charging but they will still make DC current, and your batteries will still accept DC current.
Stick a cheap multi-meter in your bag.

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New Mexico Will said:

Does the EMP go through soil?

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JeepHammer said:

I was in the military when EMP was the 'Boogy Man' and they were spending like crazy to try and harden everything against it...
Two things I learned,
1. A magnetic field stops a magnetic field in it's tracks.
The lab monkeys used refrigerator magnets (vinyl sheet magnets) to protect their computers when they were pulsing the big EMP generator gadget.

The big 'Secret' here is, the magnetic field has to be MOVING to induce (induction) to build voltage in electrical conductors. While a ferrous metal box attracts the magnetic field, and dissipates it, a static magnetic field absorbs the Moving field (unsupported) 100%.
Save those pizza joint and fridge magnets and stick them to your box/cage.

2. Most fuel injected vehicles from the 80s-early 90s survived.
Those lab monkeys zapped dozens of cars, most would shut off, but restart after the zap.
The wiring is sheltered inside sheet metal, run next to ferrous metal, etc, also short runs of wire.
Not saying you won't have every trouble code pop up, but the vehicles did operate.

You have to remember the under hood of an early 80s vehicle is an EM nightmare,
Stupid high voltage pulsing ignition, amperage pulsing wiper & heater-A/C motor, an alternator that pulsing both amperage and throwing a BIG magnetic field, a pretty hostile place for sensors, wiring, etc.
It always amazes people when you show them twisted wire pairs, shielding, wire bundles run next to magnetic loads (engine block, intake, sheet metal/frame) to reduce the line noise, EM/RF so the early computers can do their jobs...

I can't tell you about vehicles from later, I separated from the military in '95.
They don't exactly keep you in the loop on secret research after you separate.
I'm just 'Joe Average' now.

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JeepHammer said:

Spraying us with DDT & malathion, hosing us down in lead & asbestos, and yet telling us the desk would save us from a ground zero nuke...

And they think Road Runner & Coyote cartoons send the wrong message...

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erik.calco said:

This week I unpacked a box from when I moved over a decade ago. In it was an art book. I noticed the art was likely created by a computer. Decided to keep it, because when we can no longer boot a computer, I'll still be able to view computer art.

https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Vol-Vi...=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=0836270177

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erik.calco said:

There are other essentials you should stock up on in case of an EMT blast...

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Steve_S said:

THANK YOU HOLLYWOOD ! Another example of the massive amount of misconceptions people have thanks to Hollywood Screen Writers...


---> Privatised Utilities refused to do so because there is "no profit" in it and they see it as a superfluous expense. Consider how they run rough shod over most everything else that may affect their profits and are always ready & able to take Government subsidies to keep operating but without being responsible.

The US-DOD like most others are also looking to be independent of fuels for more & more equipment as that IS a weakness that can be manipulated resulting in failure.... Materiel and fuel supply lines can and are often disrupted in military ventures by the enemy.

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Supervstech said:

Yup... watch Tom cruise’s war of the worlds... crazy... car had its starter out, so it wasn’t destroyed like the other cars... I’m like??
That mess of a show had so many crazy rumors in it.
Emp is a disaster for power distribution... hardly a concern for off grid stuff...

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Wiley said:

Here's an oldie but still interesting for those thinking nuclear apocalypse:

NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein

NUKEMAP is a website for visualizing the effects of nuclear detonations.

nuclearsecrecy.com

Lots of variables one can play with to see what could happen.

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JeepHammer said:

Anything man made will create pollution, so simply don't take your hardware as 'Disposable' or for granted...
The longer it's used, the more it offsets it's initial production pollution.

While the political/big energy argument has blown the pollution produced WAY out of proportion, for instance claiming the aluminum in the frames creates 10,000 times the pollution any other aluminum production does,
The silicone in solar panels creates 100,000 times, or more, pollution than the silicone for smart phones, etc.
Everything has its costs, no need to exaggerate the problem...

The 'Simple' truth is,
After the cost/pollution of creating the solar panels, there is no pollution in the service life.
While fossil fuel will turn 60% to 80% of those fossil fuels into NOTHING BUT pollution,
Burning fossil fuels is between 20% & 40% efficient, that's 80%-60% waste heat/pollution, and you can't change the laws of thermodynamics, it's always going to be that way.

Solar creates ZERO pollution during it's working life.

Once someone does large scale electro-chemical process for removing heavy metals from panels at the end of their lives, this *Can* be a closed cycle.
Right now it's not economically viable, so no one is doing it large scale.

---------

*IF* a CME (nature) decides to throw a fit, you will be good.
What gets through the magnetosphere won't effect your panels or electronics.

*IF* someone can pull together the multi-billion dollar (minimum) specialized nuclear device for an EMP,
Can get a lift vehicle to get that device into place inside the high atmosphere,
Have a guidence system to precisely locate that lift vehicle & nuclear device,
Can build a specialized launch platform for that lift vehicle,
And can track the ever moving magnetic field for the optimum place to park that EMP device,
Then you have to worry about something you can't do anything about.

Spare parts fixes anything an EMP can do...
Solar Panels, likely not effected by EMP, will charge batteries directly, YOU will have to monitor charging but they will still make DC current, and your batteries will still accept DC current.
Stick a cheap multi-meter in your bag.

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