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Have you considered these opinions about Lithium batteries?

Go easy on the guy...he’s just been exposed to a a little too much lead and may have done some acid when he was younger...also some of the side effects of too much lithium are confusion and anxiety.

It all fits...once you understand where someone is coming from you still may not agree but at least it makes sense.
 
First, I'm sold on the LiFePO4 over Lead-Acid/AGM/Whatever, period; there is no comparison. It's the cost that's the problem.

That is also subjective. I paid $615 for my Ruixu and didn't even feel it. If you are on a budget that sees you eating Ramen noodles for every meal out of necessity, then yes, lithium is out of your reach. (FYI, I eat Ramen noodles often. I make them with cream of mushroom soup, don't use that salt bomb flavor packet, and add a can of mixed vegetables. That meal will cost you less than 2 bucks. And you can save money for your lithium batteries!) Any time subjective conditions enter a discussion, suddenly it is now apples to oranges. Bob can afford to spend more than Joe. That is not a x=x equation anymore.
 
That is also subjective. I paid $615 for my Ruixu and didn't even feel it. If you are on a budget that sees you eating Ramen noodles for every meal out of necessity, then yes, lithium is out of your reach. (FYI, I eat Ramen noodles often. I make them with cream of mushroom soup, don't use that salt bomb flavor packet, and add a can of mixed vegetables. That meal will cost you less than 2 bucks. And you can save money for your lithium batteries!) Any time subjective conditions enter a discussion, suddenly it is now apples to oranges. Bob can afford to spend more than Joe. That is not a x=x equation anymore.
It's not only just a matter of, "can I afford it". It's also a matter of, "I'm just getting my feet wet. Do I really want to spend $500-$1000 for a single battery with a 20 year life that I may not even be using a year from now because it's not for me." Which is exactly where I was. I just could not justify the cost of lithium for a test project which I could very well shelve in a year or so. I got a decent AGM. If I go forward and continue to advance with solar, improve and expand, then I have justification.
 
It's also a matter of, "I'm just getting my feet wet. Do I really want to spend $500-$100 for a single battery with a 20 year life that I may not even be using a year from now because it's not for me."

Yep. That fits into the old "Just because you can doesn't mean you should".
 
That is also subjective. I paid $615 for my Ruixu and didn't even feel it. If you are on a budget that sees you eating Ramen noodles for every meal out of necessity, then yes, lithium is out of your reach. (FYI, I eat Ramen noodles often. I make them with cream of mushroom soup, don't use that salt bomb flavor packet, and add a can of mixed vegetables. That meal will cost you less than 2 bucks. And you can save money for your lithium batteries!) Any time subjective conditions enter a discussion, suddenly it is now apples to oranges. Bob can afford to spend more than Joe. That is not a x=x equation anymore.
I like Ramen too, and yeah, one can dress them up for all kinds of dinner occasions. In the oilfields, it was ramen, Vienna sausages on Ritz crackers, or PB&J sandwiches for a quick lunch on the go.
 
It's not only just a matter of, "can I afford it". It's also a matter of, "I'm just getting my feet wet. Do I really want to spend $500-$1000 for a single battery with a 20 year life that I may not even be using a year from now because it's not for me." Which is exactly where I was. I just could not justify the cost of lithium for a test project which I could very well shelve in a year or so. I got a decent AGM. If I go forward and continue to advance with solar, improve and expand, then I have justification.
Well, dude, you don't want to go and buy the most expensive battery for your testbed, get you a cheap Universal 12v 100ah battery from Amazon for less than$200 and see if how that works out. From that experiment, you have some baseline knowledge with which to make better decisions on your actual system. Look for good used batteries if you're just wanting to "get your feet wet," but don't play with the batteries while your feet are wet. ;)
 
One of the justifications for going lithium is that you can drag it down to 10-20% and suffer no ill effects. Ok, so maybe if you know you're going to drag it down that far, you should design more capability into the system, more KWH in the panels, additional lower cost batteries that can give you lots of capacity and, if sized right, not drop them down to critical levels. In this case, lead acid and more panels still is cheaper than lithium.
Well, dude, you don't want to go and buy the most expensive battery for your testbed,
Well, that's exactly what is being promoted. Look at all the videos. "Here is a simple beginners system, but you should get premium lithium batteries."
 
Here you go, for the price, these are tough batteries, and I have a friend, mentioned above, who has used two of these for three or four years now at his camp, and on his boat. He'll use them three or better days at the camp and charge when he gets home. Not much access to sun and wind out in the deep woods unless you like climbing trees. ;)
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Here you go, for the price, these are tough batteries, and I have a friend, mentioned above, who has used two of these for three or four years now at his camp, and on his boat. He'll use them three or better days at the camp and charge when he gets home. Not much access to sun and wind out in the deep woods unless you like climbing trees. ;)
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That's exactly my point, and that's what I did. I have a WindyNation 100Ah AGM which fits the bill perfectly.

And yeah.... I missed the feet wet joke first time around.... lol.
 
Something that nobody has mentioned is weight. I would need 2 100ah SLA or AGM batteries to do what my 1 lithium can deliver. That would be about 160 pounds vs the 30 my lithium weighs. When you consider my little trailer weighs 675..... That weight loss of 130 pounds is critical.
 
One of the justifications for going lithium is that you can drag it down to 10-20% and suffer no ill effects. Ok, so maybe if you know you're going to drag it down that far, you should design more capability into the system, more KWH in the panels, additional lower cost batteries that can give you lots of capacity and, if sized right, not drop them down to critical levels. In this case, lead acid and more panels still is cheaper than lithium.

Well, that's exactly what is being promoted. Look at all the videos. "Here is a simple beginners system, but you should get premium lithium batteries."
Well, if one wanted to test both lead-acid and lithium side by side, yeah, and if one wanted to play with lithium sure, but if you're trying to learn how it all works first to see if it's the solution for your application, well then get a less expensive battery to play with. You don't have to learn using lithium only how a solar or wind generating system works, or if it will work for your intended application, okay.
 
Something that nobody has mentioned is weight. I would need 2 100ah SLA or AGM batteries to do what my 1 lithium would deliver. That would be about 160 pounds vs the 30 my lithium weighs. When you consider my little trailer weighs 675..... That weight loss of 130 pounds is critical.
Absolutely. Another in the 'pro' column for lithium. In my case, the weight was not important. It's all about the right decision for your application.
 
Something that nobody has mentioned is weight. I would need 2 100ah SLA or AGM batteries to do what my 1 lithium can deliver. That would be about 160 pounds vs the 30 my lithium weighs. When you consider my little trailer weighs 675..... That weight loss of 130 pounds is critical.
Another excellent point. I'll be in a 38-foot sailboat where not only is weight a consideration but space as well, which is another consideration when one thinks about it. Now we're down to comparing whole baskets of fruit.
 
Well, this analogy may not make sense to a lot of you, but I will just say that I was married 3 times to "lead acid" wives. And now as an old guy, I can't afford a "lithium" wife. A lithium battery, yes. A lithium wife, no.
 
Well, this analogy may not make sense to a lot of you, but I will just say that I was married 3 times to "lead acid" wives. And now as an old guy, I can't afford a "lithium" wife. A lithium battery, yes. A lithium wife, no.
Damn, Eddie, I screwed up three times too, I've sworn off of anything that might involve any kind of wife for life. Is anyone interested in a used pair of testicles by chance? I have no more use for them, all they've ever done is get me in trouble, and I'll trade them for a good used Windless winch for my boat. At my age, I hate having to pull up those anchors by hand.
 
Is anyone interested in a used pair of testicles by chance?

What? You got to keep yours? You had a better lawyer than I did. (I represented myself.) Though I have to say I DID get alimony for 18 months. I asked for $250 a month for 2 years, my case being that suddenly I had to pay 100% of the bills, and I had to absorb a move, security deposits, etc. We settled at $200 for 18 months.
 
Speaking of testicles, oops I mean windlass winches, that's another heavy load on one's electrical system on a boat, and because of this is often an option. The 12v and 24v are the worse as cable size goes, your running from source to the bow of the boat, in my case 27-foot as the crow flys, 48v is preferred, and 120v is okay, but I'd rather keep it off of my inverter. I'm already running a 48v system. At the same time your running a 12v washdown pump, this is seawater, to clean the anchor rode as it comes aboard and is fed into the chain locker. If the anchor is stuck, then the load spike can be higher than my watermaker demands which is 14.5 amps at 120v. That high-pressure pump has to work hard to push the water through the membrane. Luckily, I only have to use it for five or so hours twice a week when living aboard if I keep my freshwater consumption down to less than five gallons a day. I've learned to do it on three by washing dishes and showering in seawater when it's beautiful water, and a quick rinse in fresh, or potable water. People have no idea how much water they waste a day, electricity too. Learning to live off-grid can really open one's eyes and make us more efficient homo-sapiens. We are a wasteful and trashy species, I've seen islands of plastic supporting other trash and whole echo systems like a freaking reef floating around way out in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico. You are hard-pressed to find pristine areas while hiking and camping where one doesn't run across cigarette butts, burger wrappers, styrofoam cups, and plastic crap everywhere.
I yield the soapbox to the next in line ...
 
Speaking of testicles, oops I mean windlass winches, that's another heavy load on one's electrical system on a boat, and because of this is often an option. The 12v and 24v are the worse as cable size goes, your running from source to the bow of the boat, in my case 27-foot as the crow flys, 48v is preferred, and 120v is okay, but I'd rather keep it off of my inverter. I'm already running a 48v system. At the same time your running a 12v washdown pump, this is seawater, to clean the anchor rode as it comes aboard and is fed into the chain locker. If the anchor is stuck, then the load spike can be higher than my watermaker demands which is 14.5 amps at 120v. That high-pressure pump has to work hard to push the water through the membrane. Luckily, I only have to use it for five or so hours twice a week when living aboard if I keep my freshwater consumption down to less than five gallons a day. I've learned to do it on three by washing dishes and showering in seawater when it's beautiful water, and a quick rinse in fresh, or potable water. People have no idea how much water they waste a day, electricity too. Learning to live off-grid can really open one's eyes and make us more efficient homo-sapiens. We are a wasteful and trashy species, I've seen islands of plastic supporting other trash and whole echo systems like a freaking reef floating around way out in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico. You are hard-pressed to find pristine areas while hiking and camping where one doesn't run across cigarette butts, burger wrappers, styrofoam cups, and plastic crap everywhere.
I yield the soapbox to the next in line ...

Oh the worldwide trash we found on the remotest and uninhabited of islands in the Bahamas! The number of dead valentines mylar balloons floating on the ocean’s surface crossing the Gulf Stream from Florida to Bahamas a couple weeks after the holiday...
 
Oh the worldwide trash we found on the remotest and uninhabited of islands in the Bahamas! The number of dead valentines mylar balloons floating on the ocean’s surface crossing the Gulf Stream from Florida to Bahamas a couple weeks after the holiday...
Makes you want to cry, doesn't it? Blue pristine water, on a clear sunny day, a good stiff breeze, and you hit an island of flotsam, human junk and the sea and wind sighs sadly. I've been driving down the road and see some a**hol@ roll down their window just enough to toss out a handful of fast food waste so as not to lose too much airconditioning.
 
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