New Lux Power LXP-LB-US 12k / GSL-H-12KLV-US with 200A AC Passthrough Current (US Market)

fafrd said:

Look a few posts/pages back - I found a presentation in their history and speculated on what it could mean as far as the relationship with Huayu…

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I saw all that. I meant that was all I could find on an internet search and viewing Luxpowertek website.

Not Aerosmith said:

So far, I have seen links for the companies websites and the manuals, but not an actual US dealer with advertised prices where either Huayu or Luxpower can be purchased.

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Usually these things have to be purchased from China. Although GSL does have one "dealer" in the NE. They mark the product way up, so I just purchased my batteries and inverter directly from GSL-Energy. I would have had to pay $7k more for all of them if purchased in the US. And, even had I purchased from the US "dealer", it would still have been shipped to my house from China.

Hrschk said:

Usually these things have to be purchased from China. Although GSL does have one "dealer" in the NE. They mark the product way up, so I just purchased my batteries and inverter directly from GSL-Energy. I would have had to pay $7k more for all of them if purchased in the US. And, even had I purchased from the US "dealer", it would still have been shipped to my house from China.

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Did you received the batteries and inverters? Do they work?

I'm concern about buying directly from China. I found something on Alibaba that I wanted to buy and asked a question supposedly to the manufacturer. The response was from Made In China with no answer to the question and wanting me to buy anything that I wanted through them.

I don't like misleading advertisements or being tricked into asking a question to the manufacturer and getting on a reseller mailing list. I immediately lost trust in Alibaba and Made in China. To me the prices are questionably cheap making me wonder, if it is because they only take your money and never ship anything or ship a very cheaply made clone or defective returns, or batteries made with used cells, etc.

Often if a deal is too good to be true ... usually it is a scam.

Not Aerosmith said:

Did you received the batteries and inverters? Do they work?

I'm concern about buying directly from China. I found something on Alibaba that I wanted to buy and asked a question supposedly to the manufacturer. The response was from Made In China with no answer to the question and wanting me to buy anything that I wanted through them.

I don't like misleading advertisements or being tricked into asking a question to the manufacturer and getting on a reseller mailing list. I immediately lost trust in Alibaba and Made in China. To me the prices are questionably cheap making me wonder, if it is because they only take your money and never ship anything or ship a very cheaply made clone or defective returns, or batteries made with used cells, etc.

Often if a deal is too good to be true ... usually it is a scam.

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You must be an optimist.

All you are looking for is a track record. If its good then the probability is that it will be good for you too. You don't just buy from random vendors with no track record selling 50% off specials. You talk with the CEO of the company. You research how long they have been around, where their expertise is, what their sources are, who they are working with, how well they treat their customers with problems. You wait for others to buy and report their experiences or wait for reviews. If you have money to waste then it doesn't matter. You just buy and find out and tell the rest of us. If its crap then you dispute the charges and get your money back.

Often a deal is too expensive to be true ... usually its a scam. Its a scam to pay 10 times what something costs to manufacture. Just because a company says they are special, and markets their product at double of the going price of anything else, and lots of people willingly buy it at that price, doesn't mean they aren't being scammed. All they can claim is the privilege of being an early adopter. Its just like HD TVs back when they were new. $16k for a 40 inch HD TV, but people willingly paid the price to be special. Now superior 75 inch 4k smart TVs are selling for $568 at Walmart. Price is meaningless. It guarantees nothing. Its just the maximum that people are willing to pay. Research and a good track record is all you have to assure yourself you won't get ripped off.

Hrschk said:

I don't believe GSL is the exclusive distributor. I had also been in contact with Huayu and they had committed to selling me an inverter next month. And, I believe that inverter will be labeled for Huayu, not LuxPowerTek

I got my inverter yesterday. I'm heading to Utah this Friday, so it will be a couple weeks before I can get it installed. Luckily it will fit well where the Megarevo sits now.

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I agree. I know I said exclusive distributor, but previously in this thread I provided links to other distributors here in the US that are selling the same inverter under their brands. I should have been more concise with my words. What I meant was that GSL is the only distributor that you can get a reasonable price from direct from China. I know of no other reseller in China. GSL has even better prices if you buy in bulk. The other distributors are paying GSL-like prices and then jacking them up double or more for the US market. Just go back and look at the links I provided. They normally sell these inverters as part of a house system and the buyers are just willing to pay the stupid prices. $50k for panels, a couple of inverters, and install. LuxPower won't sell direct. They will just refer you to another US distributor who is doubling prices and really doesn't want to sell to you unless you are willing to buy a complete system from them. That's not a viable alternative to GSL. Its just another layer. So GSL is effectively the exclusive reseller.

So where in Utah are you going? Maybe I can come and look at it.

If you decide to get inverter from GSL speak with Jim, he’s a cool guy, (Mention my name GILBERT) when I ordered my 12k 2 days ago he shipped it the next day, and today the inverter already in California, it will be ship out to Hawaii tomorrow and estimated time to get here is on Monday. I paid extra for shipping just to get here asap and they used UPS service…

Anyway GSL will have their own app called GSL ESS android is already available and IOS will be available on Oct 15.

I received a copy of the certifications for the inverter from GSL. It covers all of the UL requirements I think for US installations. Notice that the manufacturer is listed as Shenzhen Sea Star Industry Co., Ltd. They are the EMS company that provides the electronics manufacturing services to OEMs. In other words they are the true hardware manufacturer.

Solar King said:

I have been to this company, they are real manufacturers with strong R&D and production capabilities. (Shenzhen Sea Star Industry Co., Ltd).

Luxpower is just a trading company, not R&D and production, I know them. I am particularly familiar with many inverter and battery factories in Shenzhen. Before the advent of COVID-19, I often traveled in China to purchase inverters and batteries for many customers.

So I know this information. This 12kW hybrid inverter is developed and manufactured by the team of Sea Star, and has nothing to do with Luxpower, they are just a sales company.

There is also no information on Luxpower on the certification.

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So now we know a little more truth.

GRV0423 said:

If you decide to get inverter from GSL speak with Jim, he’s a cool guy, (Mention my name GILBERT) when I ordered my 12k 2 days ago he shipped it the next day, and today the inverter already in California, it will be ship out to Hawaii tomorrow and estimated time to get here is on Monday. I paid extra for shipping just to get here asap and they used UPS service…

Anyway GSL will have their own app called GSL ESS android is already available and IOS will be available on Oct 15.

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How much did you end up paying for the Inverter buying from GSL, Minus shipping fee?

Jim is the CEO of GSL. He will most likely refer you to another person for sales. Jim will answer your technical questions though.

koppted said:

How much did you end up paying for the Inverter buying from GSL, Minus shipping fee?

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It was $3200

adamantium said:

Jim is the CEO of GSL. He will most likely refer you to another person for sales. Jim will answer your technical questions though.

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Jim took care of me from the start and after payment. After payment he took pictures which inverter will be ship to me with my name on it…

Is anybody currently using this inverter and can provide any feedback? I'm currently running a Deye 8k and would like to upgrade.

gilou63 said:

price is EXW USD2,996.00/PC

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Does EXW mean all charges included or is that just the base price upon which shipping and any duties or taxes need to be added?

fafrd said:

Does EXW mean all charges included or is that just the base price upon which shipping and any duties or taxes need to be added?

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That's the sticker price, the price if you pick it up at their factory or warehouse and walk away with it. They don't take care of anything except take your money. FOB means they will get it on the ship but won't pay any import taxes or fees and won't arrange for delivery once it gets to the destination dock. If you want it delivered to your house all taxes and fees paid, like an Amazon order, then that is DDP. It will cost you several hundred dollars because they have to arrange for a pickup, then space on the ship, then customs taxes and fees, then pickup and delivery to your address. Total cost will be around $3500 by sea and will take about 2 months. Exact cost depends on where you live and which courier they choose. If you go DDP via air then it is several hundred dollars more.

adamantium said:

LuxPower has a link to the new model but GSL doesn't yet. I have posted the information I have about both at the front of this channel. I had access to the GSL manual for a while but it was through a secure viewer and they have deleted my access to it now. I will try to get a PDF version of it if I can. It was essentially identical to the LuxPower manual with the exception of formatting. I posted the link to that earlier but here it is again: Lux Power Manual. The new GSL model is not a Megarevo or a Huayu.

Liniotech now has a link to the same inverter under their label: Liniotech 12K All-In-One Solar Inverter Hybrid

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Liniotech LNT-H-12KLV-US 12K All-In-One Solar Inverter Hybrid Solar Battery Power System with 200A AC Passthrough Current AC Coupling 120/240 split phase 3 MPPTs 18 KW 100-600 DCV​

Liniotech sales can be reached in Texas at 832-627-9763 or email at sales@liniotech.com. The internet price is $5499 and their website list detailed features about this hybrid inverter and others. Their website have no links to the Specification Data Sheet nor a link to the owner manual nor was I able to Google them. One feature that I didn't find was battery-less operation, but Liniotech do sell in-rack batteries and power wall batteries.

For me a 200A AC passthrough current is something that I would now require when buying a hybrid inverter. However, Liniotech wiring diagram on their website is showing the main house panel on the grid with a critical load panel from the hybrid inverter. Sol-Ark 15K has the main house panel connected to the hybrid inverter, which make sense with a 200A bypass.

I need to investigate more about this new inverter, since it is almost $2.8K less than Sol-Ark. However with the savings, for about $1800 more I could buy a Liniotech 10 KWH power wall ($4599) or I could buy a Liniotech 5 KWH in-rack battery ($1899) with $900 left over towards a second battery. You would think that a Liniotech battery BMS can interface with a Liniotech inverter, but we always need to ask the dumb questions before buying anything.

I don't know anything about Liniotech, so I'm very interested in other people comments.

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Liniotech 10KW power wall batteries has a list of about 25 inverters brands compatible with their batteries, but this list excluded Liniotech inverters. The other brands model number listed were not similar to Liniotech model LIN-H-12KLV-US.

Here is a link to the Liniotech power wall battery with the list of compatible inverters: https://liniotech.com/liniotech-10-...l-battery-storage-power-by-catl-wall-mounted/ Liniotech in-rack batteries don't list compatible inverters.

Liniotech battery list Sol-Ark, but only the 8K and 12K models, not the 5K or the 15K. Liniotech battery list also include Lux Power, GSL, SMA, Victron, Schneider, Deye, etc. It still seems very strange that the list excludes Liniotech inverters.

I guess before buying, you really do need to ask the dumb question, "Are Liniotech batteries compatible with Liniotech inverters?"

I just noticed that Liniotech LIN-H-12KLV-US has the same model format as GSL Energy GSL-H-12KLV-US. It is probably another clone, but I'm not sure because GSL listed some features that weren't listed in the Liniotech description. However, Liniotech has not provided a link for their owner manual. It is usually easy to tell clones, because the owner manual are usually identical (word by word) with the exception of the cover page.

Hrschk said:

The Luxpower 12kw and the GSL new 12kw inverters are identical. I chatted the CEO at GSL and he said that Luxpower and GSL developed this inverter jointly. I'm having one shipped, to arrive this next week.

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September 21st, you posted that you were expecting it to arrive that week. It is now 2 weeks later and I haven't seen a post where you have received it. I'm very curious, so you have received it? Obviously, I'm very interested. I had never bought directly from overseas, so I'm very anxious to learn from you guys purchases with GSL Energy.

GRV0423 said:

with my research GSL hybrid inverter is
Made by LuxPower… GSL use luxPower Inverter manual and App… I ordered GSL-H-12KLV-US. from GSL two nights ago and it look very promising functionality is same like SOL-ARK &DEYE and they told me it will get here in a week. I paid about $3900w/fee/tax shipped to Hawaii. Inverter by itself was $3200…

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I appreciate you sharing the actual cost of about $3900. Ebay sells a Liniotech clone of a GSL delivered for $5,599, which is $1700 more than GSL, but much less than Sol-Ark $8,250 + shipping. I know one post stated that they didn't see the feature battery-less, which Sol-Ark advertises. However, GSL at $3900 dollars is a price that is irresistible and I can buy the GSL inverter plus 10 KW 200 AH of batteries for the same price as Sol-Ark 15K.

Thanks for sharing and please keep us posted. If either of you guys are inclined, we would love to see a YouTube video with first impressions and another one actually installed.

adamantium said:

Yea that is what I thought. It has every feature I am aware of except battery-less operation. I don't know for sure that it isn't supported but It doesn't appear to be. That is outweighed by the frequency shifting and 200A AC pass-through, 100A generator pass-through, existing grid-tie inverter support, PV monitoring, CT based AC monitoring, etc. The software looks good too. Everything. Maybe to good to be true. I think I need one to test out to know for sure.

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From GSL user manual on page 3:

The wiring diagram shown without a battery looks like a standard GT system. The user manual does state that the 200A bypass is between the grid and the UPS. The user manual also states that the hybrid inverter can be used as a whole house backup. I assume that you would need to disconnect the main house panel from the grid and connect it to the UPS on the inverter in order to use it as a whole house backup system. I don't think it is that simple, I believe batteries are required for it to be a whole house backup system.

I have read many user manuals and this manual is clearer than most and better illustrated. There are explanations that are really helpful. I have only had time to read parts of it. The hybrid inverter seems to be an all-in-one like the Sol-Ark with all the disconnects included internally, but the wiring diagrams on page 7 is a little confusing, since it seems to also be requiring them externally too. Therefore, without DIY experience in solar installations, I feel that I would still need to use my previous installer to modify my existing GT system into a hybrid system.