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EG4 6500 voltage on PV terminals?

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Hi, Is the EG4 6500 supposed to have voltage on the PV input (with no panel attached). I just noticed that if I put my multimeter on either the PV neg or PV positive and stick the neg wire of the multimeter in the ground I’m getting over 100 volts! Is that normal?
 
Never tried that I can check my 6500s and my growatts to see and will report back.
 
Most low cost high freq inverters do not have isolation between PV and AC H-bridge. The PV panels pos and neg input lines are riding on top of a high voltage squarewave when AC neutral is grounded. This is why you need two pole breakers to cut both pos and neg legs of PV panels.

The AC neutral ground bonding and sinewave PWM H-bridge IGBT devices makes the HV DC bus flip polarity, at AC line freq rate, relative to neutral/ground, which the PV SCC rides on top of.

Never allow one of the PV input wires to accidentally touch ground when AC output is active. It can blow out AC bridge IGBT devices.

EG4 6500 has an extra DC to DC converter between SCC output and inverter's HV DC bus to convert 500v SCC output down to 250vdc for 120vac inverter. This allows up to 500vdc on PV inputs. It would be easy for this stage to provide isolation, similar to battery to HV DC converter, but it apparently does not.

EG4 6.5kVA inverter SCC.jpg
 
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Hi, Is the EG4 6500 supposed to have voltage on the PV input (with no panel attached). I just noticed that if I put my multimeter on either the PV neg or PV positive and stick the neg wire of the multimeter in the ground I’m getting over 100 volts! Is that normal?
Yes that’s normal and it can knock you on your behind. Some AC meters may be able see some wild voltage there.
 
Will just did a video about this. Did he happen to read this thread and check it out for himself?
 
Check AC voltage between PV+ to common ground then PV- to common ground with inverter AC active and neutral AC output grounded.

It is likely near square wave so DVM AC voltage reading will be different on cheaper average responding AC meter than true RMS AC meter.
 
In attached diagram, note the path from PV inputs to HV DC bus and AC generating H-bridge PWM switching.

The AC PWM H-bridge effectively flips the floating HV DC supply polarity at the line frequency rate. When AC output neutral is grounded, this HV DC polarity relative to neutral-ground will flip polarity at the AC line frequency rate due to the PWM H-bridge.

The optional HV DC to DC converter between PV SCC output and HV DC bus is primarily to provide DC voltage step down for 120vac inverters to allow PV SCC to accept up to 500 vdc PV array voltage.

120 vac HF inverters that do not have the optional DC-DC converter in PV path only allow PV DC voltage up to about 200 vdc to prevent PV SCC boost output from exceeding HV DC bus voltage. You can check inverter PV max voltage specs. These HF inverters also have no isolation between AC H-bridge and PV SCC circuitry, so PV input terminals ride on top of flipping HV DC bus polarity when AC output neutral is grounded.

SolArk and Deye split phase 240/120vac HF inverters include two series connected 120 vac inverter H-bridge modules and have two separate, isolated 250 vdc HV DC buses for each 120vac inverter module. They have the optional DC-DC converter to step down the PV DC voltage from 500vdc to two separate 250 vdc outputs so the common PV power can be shared between the two independent and isolated HV DC buses. Since the two HV DC buses must be isolated it also means the PV SCC output ground reference must be isolated from the two HV DC buses. The extra DC-DC voltage down converter also provides this input to output isolation with opto-isolated voltage feedback control path.

Several 120vac HF inverters, including EG4 6500, allow PV inputs up to 500 vdc. This requires the optional DC to DC voltage down converter to supply the 250 vdc internal HV DC bus feeding the 120 vac sinewave generating PWM H-bridge. In this case the DC-to-DC converter does not have to provide PV input to HV DC bus ground reference isolation, although it would be very simple to do with opto-isolators in the DC-DC converter's voltage feedback control loop. This would be similar to how the battery to HV DC converter works, which has battery ground reference to HV DC bus isolation.

The optional additional DC to DC voltage down converter also adds a couple of percent efficiency loss in PV power path.

HF hybrid inverter block diagram.png
 
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