Watching 'Stupid' In Action...

JeepHammer said:

So, being rural/farm country, I see stupid people... Not like the cities, more people, more stupid people, but we see our share...

The last few years the state/feds require authorized worker cards or resident status proof for migrant workers, so when you see migrant workers in the fields you know most of them are 'Legal'.

We have 'Protesters' that like to harass the farmers/workers while they are planting/harvesting. I'm sure you know their political affiliations/motivation.

With a HUGE sign saying "Hiring!", with county and state police resources being wasted on keeping the protesters from interfering with the EMPLOYED people working...

And these people with apparently NO JOBS to waste the time standing in front of a "Hiring!" sign... to harass the people you know exactly where they are and what they are doing, calling them rapists, murderers, drug dealers, etc...

I can't call that anything BUT STUPID!

No drug kingpin does back breaking manual labor (the protesters simply refuse to do), and after a 12 to 16 hour day in the fields all any human wants is a shower and to sleep... Not exactly like there is a huge crime syndicate here, no cartels, etc.

Drunk driving and stolen lawn mowers make the front page...

So I see stupid (unemployed) people so self centered it takes police to let the actual employed do their jobs.

I thought of this because it's strawberry season again and I'm seeing "The Flags" and yard signs pop up again...

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We got a new convienence store gas station with big truck fuel locally, it also has EV chargers last year. First EV chargers in town in about a 40 mile radius.

You can guess there was a protest about the EV chargers, vandalism, blocking them, boycott of the chain store thst employs locally.

Now, again, I have to ask where these people come from that can sit in a gas engine vehicle, block the chargers for 8 to 12 hours daily, apparently no employment, come from to harass the workers and anyone wanting to use the chargers?

It's not like EV owners block the fuel pumps in a 'Protest'...
To own a relatively new vehicle you have to be employed, and the employed have places to be, work to get done...

This group called themselves I.C.E. meaning "Internal COMBUSTION Engines".
The name implies (or proves) the stupidity because combustion means heat, not cold/ice in engines.

When this gets pointed out they resort to name calling and threatening to fight...

Again, stupid behavior with no basis in reality.

And again, these people complain about taxes, but cost local law enforcement to post an officer to keep the vandalism/trespassing to a minimum.

I see this as counter productive, and therefore STUPID behavior by people that obviously don't work or have anything better to do, propaganda brain-washing works really well on stupid people...

Since the population is low, and you mostly have to work around here, the number of stupid people doing stupid things is lower than cities (population dense areas), but we have our share...

If you have a logical, rational (not rationalizing) example of stupid human behavior, feel free to share...

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Batvette said:

Got some photos or news links?

It does sound stupid, so much so Id be surprised to find this isnt complete fiction.

By the way Joe Biden has helped almost 7 million illegals in that were counted. Many more werent. He used government money to fly them around the country, gives them welfare and free hotels and food while Americans are being put out on the street because the illegals absorb all the low cost housing.
Despite your attempt to confuse the issue, its a real problem.

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Tulex said:

While your examples lean a certain direction, I will remind you that stupid has no boundaries.

"propaganda brain-washing works really well on stupid people..." That gave me a chuckle.

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JeepHammer said:

Clips all over the internet...
Absloutely impossible to miss on a lot of web sites.

Look up 'ICEing' or 'ICEholes', it's what EV owners started calling intentional charger blocking.

As for low end rentals, I can't comment. I've never owned low end, substandard or illegal rentals.

I rented a couple to have a place off camp when I was in the military...
Interesting neighbors in those places, best buy your own strong locks.

Since you have an issue with staying on topic, the thread was about stupid human behaviors...



'Stupid' doesn't seem to have socioeconomic boundaries, I've seen people with diamond rings scream at minimum wage fast food workers over EXPIRED 50 cent off coupons...

People that complain about food/rent costs, but still buy booze & dope...

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How to deal with ICEholes: Don’t lose your cool!

When an EV charging spot is blocked it is frustrating. How can EV drivers remember not to lose their cool when dealing with "ICEholes"?

thedriven.io

Bay Area city to ban all new gas stations

Novato, California looks likely to ban the construction of new gas stations.

www.sfgate.com

Batvette said:

Apparantly it isnt the problem you claim it is:


"I’ve used over 200 different charging locations in every state and territory in Australia and on the 3 occasions I’ve been completely prevented from charging my car it’s because of an Electric vehicle parked in front of the charger, and either not plugged in, or plugged in but no longer charging. It only takes a quick review of Plugshare comments and photos from that location in question to find the EV owner is a serial offender."

How to deal with ICEholes: Don’t lose your cool!

When an EV charging spot is blocked it is frustrating. How can EV drivers remember not to lose their cool when dealing with "ICEholes"?

thedriven.io

More often than not its another entitled EV owner. When its an ICE vehicle the owner usually does it out of ignorance not protest.

However in the extremely rare instance of an intentional protest its hard to blame them.
EV supporters are behind the move to ban new gas stations.

Bay Area city to ban all new gas stations

Novato, California looks likely to ban the construction of new gas stations.

www.sfgate.com

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Batvette said:

ICE owners really dont care what you drive.

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Batvette said:

**Political Rant Clipped*
... misrepresented false "save the planet with more complex vehicles full of exotic chinese parts" agenda on ICE owners.

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Batvette said:

**Political Rant Clipped**
... the fact that the carbon cost of building, manufacturing and installing the vast charging infrastructure has never been included in comparisons against ICE transportation?

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Batvette said:

The carbon generated just in mining the copper and manufacturing the concrete is staggering.

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Batvette said:

Save the planet. Lets see the average ICE vehicle lasts for about 20+ years... The EV as long as it battery pack. About 7 years?

Were saving the planet how?

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JeepHammer said:

Commuter cars will be mandated to be electric or non-fossil fueled, but that doesn't mean heavy vehicles getting work done will be mandated to be electric.
LPG/CNG, Hydrogen, etc. will still be made.

Just the average single person commuter, the biggest waste of petroleum, will be mandated to use something cleaner.

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While an ICE vehicle may "Last" 20 years, it's not maintained efficiently to be energy efficient, and you can't trust the current crop of 'Citizens' not to defeat/remove emission controls entirely.
That makes it a 'Super Polluter' in vehicle standards for 15 of that 20 years.

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I can tell you never worked on these vehicles trying to keep them working correctly, or bothered to maintain one to proper standards or you would know this. Just WAY too many things that go wrong with the myriad of work arounds the car companies went through to make yet another gas burner pass mileage/emission standards.

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JeepHammer said:

WOW!

Thst was a lot of words... saying nothing truthful.

First off, teens have cars.
Students have cars.
City dwellers in apartments have cars...

Most households have multiple cars.
There are already hand me down and second had EVs on the market, so they do live,

And only YOU think you have to own a home to buy a car...

I have no idea where you got the idea only homeowners are getting cars,
If you don't have $40,000 for a Tesla, (less for other brands) then you don't have $40,000 (or less) for any other new vehicle, including ICE vehicles.

Second, the idea your car knows your political party is false.
The dealerships or anyone else selling a car doesn't care what your politics are.

Third, no one thinks there aren't carbon costs to build any manufacturing plant.
The question is, how much carbon, and how long will it live?
There is also a question of toxic waste left behind since profits are privatized, while cleanup is socialized, paid for with taxpayer dollars

See Love Canal, Times Beach, all the nuclear refinement/production facilities, the waste guarding/disposal from nuclear power plants, etc.

No one has to guard solar panels, wind generator blades or batteries on their way to recycle.

Fourth, these are FOR PROFIT, capitalists, building the microchip and battery plants.
It's conventional car makers producing the bulk of the EVs.
Nothing changes with the exception of 'Fuel' that powers the vehicles, still the same capitalist, for profit makers.

This isn't state owned business, so yes the consumer will foot the bill in every vehicle sold. ICE or electric.

Fifth, anyplace there is an outlet, 12 Amp to 50 Amp, you can charge an EV.
That's anyplace there is an outlet, every rental, every apartment, every home on the grid.

If you want to 'Top Off' an EV, you go to the convenience store/gas station just like anyone with an ICE in the very near future... Any new convenience store/gas station has them, so stop being a drama queen/alarmist.

Your political rant sounds suspiciously like communisum manifesto, it sounds like you want to "Redistribute" homes and vehicles to those that didn't work for them...

If you can't afford a car, or a home, then maybe you need to get an education in something that pays better.

Anyone can do it because I did it.
Went from a disabled Marine in a wheelchair to building/owning half a dozen businesses because I was willing to do the work, pay my taxes, reinvest the profits.

I lived below my means, 35 cent raimen & 3 for $1 corn dogs much of the time in the beginning...

Until the garden came in and the chickens started laying, then I ate better.

When I hear someone bragging about how much they can do, but still complain they aren't making it I have to think about the 4 wheel drive & bass boat in the driveway, the satellite dish on the roof, trashcan full of pizza boxes & beer bottles, but complains the wife brought the cheap crap from the food bank, and complains about an immigrant with no education, doesn't speak the language, but still doing a better job at his work...

Can't help you if someone without 12 free to them years of education, that doesn't speak the language can do "Your Job" better than you can.

Can't help you if you spend a crap ton on vehicles you don't need, bass boats you don't need, entertainment, booze, fast food, etc you don't need and yet complain about school lunches for the kids or not being able to run right out and get credit for a home... (bad at money budgeting, reinvesting)

Stupid is as stupid does...
If tou don't learn this, Good luck with the Bud Light at the trailer park with the Republican signs!

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Batvette said:

Im sorry I didnt realize I was in a discussion with a complete jackass.
Currently, EV ownership is only practical for HOMEOWNERS because only single family homes have charging stations.
My city is building thousands of apartments every year, and they arent requiring developers to include enough parking spaces, let alone EV chargers, under this fantasy that people will use the bike lanes theyre putting up.
Most apartment dwellers I know have only on street parking and park up to a block away.
So I suppose you think theyll all be laying extension cords out their windows, across the street, over the neighbors fence...
Or just stop to "top off" at a convenience store?
At an hour or two per car, when the ICE vehicles took two minutes? Hows that gonna work out?
The rest of your post was just you patting yourself on the back and insulting me. Projecting a dozen different directions that are irrelevent toward the topic. View attachment 153374

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JeepHammer said:

This isn't state owned business, so yes the consumer will foot the bill in every vehicle sold. ICE or electric.

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Batvette said:

Typically liberals are full of shit.

Hes checking all the boxes.

"Anyone can do it because I did it.
Went from a disabled Marine in a wheelchair to building/owning half a dozen businesses because I was willing to do the work, pay my taxes, reinvest the profits.

I lived below my means, 35 cent raimen & 3 for $1 corn dogs much of the time in the beginning...

Until the garden came in and the chickens started laying, then I ate better."

Disabled marine in wheelchair works a farm and raises chickens. He must be superman.

And who knew the remedy ro get yourself out of a wheelchair and walking was simply WORKING HARDER.

I've had scoliosis, sciatica and a fractured vertebrae for about 15 years now. A lot of it caused by working long hours in jobs that were hard on my body. Most days Im in extreme pain for hours after I get out of bed, and cant stand or walk more than a few minutes at a time.

So according to hillbilly superman here, the only thing Id need to cure all that is more hard work. And reducing my diet to the most worthless crap I could possibly eat. 3 for $1 corn dogs. Im ready to step out of the wheelchair and fly!

Oh and he pays his taxes. Arent you special! I guess he thinks we can all just choose not to.

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Tulex said:

This is where you are totally missing the boat. IF you can't see where this is going, you are the fool. Liberal states and the federal government are pushing to move EVERYTHING toward electric. And guess who will have control.

You have 2 issues going against you in your argument.
First, you use multiple stereotypes to categorize those who don't agree with you.
Second, as is typical, you won't allow for the other side to be right, or go their own way. Just like with other liberal issues, it's all or nothing. Instead of letting change happen organically, you want it forced. That only brings resentment.
I have no idea what your political slant is, but you sure do argue like a liberal.

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JeepHammer said:

More Bullshit.

I honestly don't care what you do as long as you don't make it a problem I have to deal with.

You want to spend money on crap instead of reinvesting it that's your choice.
Lots of people do, that's why we have a false 'Consumer' economy instead of the agrarian/manufacturing economy we now have.

Go buy $500 of crap at Wally-World and as soon as you pay for it, you have $10 of yard sale crap.

It's your choice.
If you have enough income, you can buy $600 worth of our steel parts, but it will cost you between $12,000 & $36,000 because we have a 'Brand Name' you want on your vehicle or whatever.

I really don't care what your politics are, what tin foil hat theories you carry...
As long as you can afford our products, you can sit in jello and 'Think' whatever you want...
Our production doesn't care who buys it, like all other inanimate things don't care, including EVs, ICEs, political flags, etc.

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Tulex said:

Dude, I don't know what your issue is, but 90% of your reply has nothing to do with what you quoted from me.

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JeepHammer said:

I still don't care...

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JeepHammer said:

Can't help you.

For me, 17 years on a farm, 16 in the Marines, 30+ off grid, now retired.

Lost 1/2 of right & 1/4 of left to a bullet, shattered left ankle, lost both knees, lost left hip, back broke in 5 places, neck in 2, left shoulder busted.

I scratched up the money to get my back fixed because the VA wouldn't do it. Got my legs about 60% back, that's would be 100% of NOT a Marine.

Been in business since I was 13. Grandpa saw what I was doing for our farm equipment and started a home shop business. It grew.
I have a knack for electrical, rebuilt starters, generators, alternators, magnetos and converted breaker points to electronic ignition.

Full time job on the farm, full time student, working for other farmers for spending money.
You learn to work on a farm or it fails.
Nothing I can do if you can't grasp that.

In business with my cousin at 18, had a video arcade. Made money in quarters, but it made money while I was in the Marines.
Base pay in the Marines was $435/mo, the arcade brought me $600/WEEK.

Electronic fuel injection came out and the hot rod/car guys jumped on it, that was the fuel injection business which did reasonably well.

My cousin and me started a hot rods business in 1992 to make enough to pay for our hot rod habit. It did REALLY well.

I bought land that didn't have power or water, drilled water wells & installed solar 30 years ago and keep expanding.

The land had to pay it's own taxes, had to produce a profit, so garden produce, welding, machining, chickens, anything that would make a profit. It did.

If you cared to get to know, ask questions, you would find out I build for self sufficiency.
Garden beds raised so I don't have to bend over, posts in the corners to do vertical gardening and to support nets/screens so the gardens produce more.

I could have taken the pills from the VA and went home to die, I could have whined about how the world wasn't 'Fair', I could whine & complain about any given socio-political issue as an excuse... Lots of people do instead of getting up and doing something constructive, but that's not me...

I understand Right 'Wing', Left 'Wing', same bird. Just there to see how much they can beg, borrow or steal...
Not builders or produce anything, just grab with both hands and complain they can't get more.

Never trust anyone that wraps themselves in the flag or religion.
You either grab a shovel and get to work, or you wait for someone else to do the work and hold out your hand... you have to decide which one you are.

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Batvette said:

Cool story, bruh. Not sure of its relevence toward your thread, which I replied to concerning illegal immigration and forced adoption of EVs, two issues rhat affect my life.

It would seem though that "your" success is due to family business relationships. You got $600 a week while your cousin was home running things. Im happy for you.
This is one of many things I have no experience with. My mother literally left me at the hospital at birth, and the people that adopted me tired of me when I was no longer cute and Ive been on my own since age 14. I have no family whatsoever.

Semper Fi.

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