Do We Need a Control Group?

Even Politico is starting to turn on them.

So much for Fauci and others ignoring protection gained from previous infection. It's just one more thing that we knew they were wrong about.

This study was looking at long Covid symptoms .... previous infection was effective .... vaccination was not.
Having been previously infected with the Omicron variant was the best protection .... We can all be glad that the Omicron variant came along. I have always thought that Omicron brought the end to the pandemic.

In conclusion, while the Omicron variant was associated with a much lower risk of PCC in our study, the lack of protection by vaccination regarding the occurrence and symptom severity of PCC (in case of an infection) suggest that this condition can become a serious challenge for the health care system during the early endemic phase of SARS-CoV-2. At the same time, the strong protective effect of a preceding infection in individuals who did not have PCC after their initial infection, suggests that in the midterm, the problem might resolve.

Sure, Omicron might convey strong immunity against future (serious?) infection.
But does infection itself, i.e. with Omicron perhaps as your first experience, result in greater or less incidence and severity of long covid ... compared to having been vaccinated prior to being exposed to Omicron?

"Natural immunity" is great except for the fact it means being infected with the virus.

Hedges said:

"Natural immunity" is great except for the fact it means being infected with the virus.

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I know what you meant but the vaccine doesn't stop long covid because you still get a vigorous infection.

In other words, antibodies don't stop the virus before it gets into your cells.

Hedges said:

Sure, Omicron might convey strong immunity against future (serious?) infection.
But does infection itself, i.e. with Omicron perhaps as your first experience, result in greater or less incidence and severity of long covid ... compared to having been vaccinated prior to being exposed to Omicron?

"Natural immunity" is great except for the fact it means being infected with the virus.

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True .... but MOST people have had it .... and the bigger point is that all the way thru the pandemic Fauci and others were in denial about the benefit of natural immunity.
Per the study ... it is MUCH better than vaccination, so why would they be recommending people who have had the virus still get vaccinated ... and boosted ... and boosted.

In the case of me and my family, I believe we were exposed but killed off the virus with nebulizer treatments before we had any real symptoms.

Checkthisout said:

I know what you meant but the vaccine doesn't stop long covid because you still get a vigorous infection.

In other words, antibodies don't stop the virus before it gets into your cells.

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Whether the sources are unbiased or not, I have read that severe infection/hospitalization was associated with increased risk of long covid. And that vaccination significantly reduced incidence of hospitalization.

Also, the increase in all-cause mortality may be because people previously infected with Covid suffered organ damage, so they later died due to the organs but testing negative for Covid. (Would like to see the data, also correlated with vaccination which potentially could cause some similar damage.)



I would also like to see studies from other countries, since drastically different reports were made on topics such as effectiveness of vaccine vs. natural immunity. I am quite inclined to believe that the reports were bought and paid for; after all, you don't get repeat business if you don't deliver the product desired.

Hedges said:

I would also like to see studies from other countries, since drastically different reports were made on topics such as effectiveness of vaccine vs. natural immunity. I am quite inclined to believe that the reports were bought and paid for; after all, you don't get repeat business if you don't deliver the product desired.

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That's the sad part ..... Studies can no longer be trusted. Desired results are bought an paid for ..... scientists know the conclusions they can and cannot find .... What gets funded and what gets published is all controlled.
There are known 3rd rails in medical and climate science .... probably others as well.

Once they have the power in hand, how do we ever take it back.

mRNA ‘vaccines’ must be banned once and for all

THOSE of us who knew from the beginning that the sequence of CoV-SARS-2 contained inserts which could not have possibly occurred naturally, and were similar to ones that had already been published from the Wuhan laboratory, have had to endure unbelievable scorn, scientific ostracism and the ignominy of being ‘cancelled’ by the MSM as well as by professional colleagues for nearly three years now.

In the summer of 2020 a paper I co-authored, describing the findings of an Anglo-Norwegian team of scientists who had demonstrated unique ‘fingerprints’ of laboratory manipulation in the Covid virus, was suppressed in both the US and UK. This was at the time that the World Health Organization, leading science journals and others were going to huge lengths to persuade us that Covid was a natural occurrence, and that we should spend a lot more money to fight any such future threats.

Only now does the Telegraph (uncritically) report that the US government is no longer going to fund the research it denied doing for nearly three years and the MSM sat on. Yet it has been an open secret for anyone who follows primary sources of information (the ones ignored by the MSM and the BBC specifically, reported as misinformation by Ofcom and targeted by the Orwellian Counter-Disinformation Cell of the UK government) that mRNA vaccines did not do what it says on the vial, as it were.

First the ‘vaccine’ did not stay at the site of injection as promised but travelled throughout the body and were found at post-mortems to be everywhere.

Accusations of dramatic variations in batch-to-batch variability – an absolute ‘no no’ in vaccine manufacture protocols – which could explain why side effects were more common in some batches than others were denied but were borne out by definitive Danish research reported here. https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/vaccine-dangers-is-this-the-strongest-evidence-yet/ These alarming concerns seem to have been brushed off by the regulators when they should have immediately begun investigating them in depth.

All the while the regulatory authorities and politicians, parroting their ‘highest standards’ assurances, have repeatedly declared the mounting disturbing UK Yellow Card and US VAERS adverse event reports to be nothing to be worried about.

Last June, whistleblowers led by the scientists Sucharit Bhakdi and Kevin McKernan raised an entirely new issue of concern – that of serious levels of DNA contamination. Once again this was ignored by the MSM. Though quite happy to report the odd side effect from the vaccines as an excuse to point out that they are extremely rare, they have never addressed the increasingly problematic official ‘safe and effective’ mantra.

Finally there was a small breakthrough. An isolated but braver branch of the MSM in the form of the Spectator Australia has finally blown the lid on serious levels of contamination of both Pfizer and Moderna mRNA Covid vaccines. The article describes how the genomics scientist Kevin McKernan from Boston used Pfizer and Moderna vials as controls in a study only to find that they contained highly significant DNA plasmid contamination. It reports that McKernan was alarmed to find the presence of an SV40 promoter in the Pfizer vaccine vials, a sequence that is ‘used to drive DNA into the nucleus, especially in gene therapies’ and that this is ‘something that regulatory agencies around the world have specifically said is not possible with the mRNA vaccines’. These SV40 promoters are also well recognised as being oncogenic or cancer-inducing.

Others have confirmed these findings. A German biologist whistleblower has found contamination rates of up to 354 times the recommended limit. All this has been reported to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). It is highly significant.

To put it bluntly, this means that they are not vaccines at all but Genetically Modified Organisms that should have been subject to totally different regulatory conditions and certainly not be classed as vaccines. This has been recognised by the Australian version of the FDA, the TGA, which has changed the picture so much that the Premier of Victoria Dan Andrews, who was the greatest proponent of the vaccine and of its mandatory use, has resigned – though at the time of writing the vaccine has not been mentioned as the reason for his resignation. (Paula Jardine reported in these pages in December 2021 on this regulatory sleight of hand in granting vaccine Emergency Use Authorisations for what were gene therapies.)

All this data, which is slowly breaking through into the public domain, comes hard on the heels of the latest findings that booster vaccines actually increase the chance of getting infected by 3.6 times. This is according to an in-depth study published by the Cleveland Clinic, one of the largest health care organisations in the world, who monitored their staff as well as patients.

It gets worse. Supporters of this technology have claimed that it can be adapted to chase new variants. But it can’t. The results of bivalent vaccines (with components against at least two variants) are seeing the same result. Authors of the Cleveland study say that ‘there is not a single study that has shown that the Covid-19 bivalent vaccine protects against severe disease or death caused by the XBB lineages of the Omicron variant. At least one prior study has failed to find a protective effect of the bivalent vaccine against the XBB lineages of SARS-CoV-2.’

In one study, all bivalent-vaccinated mice which were challenged with Covid became ill.

This was predicted by many of us as the SARS viruses are subject to immunological imprinting: that is, once they have seen a vaccine they will make the same response to any close variant (this is also known as ‘antigenic sin‘) making further vaccines not only useless but more dangerous as they induce antibodies that enhance infection (ADE antibodies), not cross reactivity as has been claimed by the manufacturers.

This is not the end of the issues with the mRNA ‘vaccines’. Several immunology studies have shown that the boosters induce an antibody switch from neutralising subtypes to tolerising subtypes as well as inducing significant T cell suppression, all of which will encourage new infections and suppress the immune response to cancer.

At the end of last year I reported that I was seeing melanoma patients who had been stable for years relapse after their first booster (their third injection). I was told it was merely a coincidence and to keep quiet about it, but it became impossible to do so. The number of my patients affected has been rising ever since. I saw two more cases of cancer relapse post booster vaccination in my patients just this last week.

Other oncologists have contacted me from all over the world including from Australia and the US. The consensus is that it is no longer confined to melanoma but that increased incidence of lymphomas, leukaemias and kidney cancers is being seen after booster injections. Additionally my colorectal cancer colleagues report an epidemic of explosive cancers (those presenting with multiple metastatic spread in the liver and elsewhere). All these cancers are occurring (with very few exceptions) in patients who have been forced to have a Covid booster whether they were keen or not, for many so they could travel.

So why are these cancers occurring? T cell suppression was my first likely explanation given that immunotherapy is so effective in these cancers. However we must also now consider DNA plasmid and SV40 integration in promoting cancer development, a feature made even more concerning by reports that mRNA spike protein binds p53 and other cancer suppressor genes. It is very clear and very frightening that these vaccines have several elements to cause a perfect storm in cancer development in those patients lucky enough to have avoided heart attacks, clots, strokes, autoimmune diseases and other common adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines.

To advise booster vaccines, as is the current case, is no more and no less than medical incompetence; to continue to do so with the above information is medical negligence which can carry a custodial sentence.

No ifs or buts any longer. All mRNA vaccines must be halted and banned now.

I think we have all seen video clips of Fauci .... on multiple occasions .... claiming that he can't be questioned because " I am science."

I have decided that he was actually right in saying that, in a twisted sort of way.
HE WAS the one who determined who got funding and who studies were rewarded to .... so, he controlled the science. I think Fauci invented this type of control over "the science" .... and after others saw how effective it can be, it has been adopted in many other areas of science.
This is exactly what we need to figure out how to stop.

I watched the video linked below the other day which was posted in a thread about climate science ..... it is a long video, but it is apparent that the scientist .... and the interviewer .... are both brilliant individuals. After watching the video, a lot of things came into much better focus for me.
The content of the video is about climate science, but I think it is applicable to all types of scientific study. This brilliant scientist who had hundreds of studies published over the course of his career found himself being ostracized because of his findings didn't agree with what those who control the funding and publishing wanted to see. He got 2 studies published on the subject, and in both cases, the editors were fired after publishing his articles.
He also says he intentionally did his study in such a way that didn't require a lot of expensive equipment .... therefore, he didn't need a lot of funding.

If you have some free time, I would highly recommend this interview. I may also repost this video on the other climate change thread also.

Here it is in a nutshell.
"The predatory psychopaths have figured out how to cloak themselves in the guise of compassion”

grizzzman said:

Here it is in a nutshell.
"The predatory psychopaths have figured out how to cloak themselves in the guise of compassion”

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Yup. This was clearly demonstrated during covid.

Greater problem is all the well meaning individuals (commoners and leaders) who believed and supported everything. It couldn't happen without them.

"The way to be a leader is to figure out which way the crowd is going and get in front." But your predatory psychopaths have figured out how to actually lead, put forth an idea and develop a massive following.

Similarly we've seen many people passionately support fluoridation of the entire municipal water supply (to deliver a small and highly variable dose to developing children), support replacement of gas stoves with electric, recent and current social movements, anything else that SOMEONE starts for their own agenda.

In case anyone needs a little comic relief.

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Scott Gottlieb and the CIA's Takeover of America's Pandemic Response – The Daily Sceptic

Dr. Scott Gottlieb was instrumental in bringing lockdowns to America and then in pushing for the takeover of U.S. pandemic policy by the CIA. So, who is he really?

dailysceptic.org

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Gottlieb is a prime example of the fox watching the henhouse.

Here is a very good interview .....Dr Mercola interviewing Dr Meryl Nass. Both of them are in the group of doctors being harassed for non compliance with the Covid narrative.
The interview starts out explaining how doctors were and are controlled ... and breaks off into a larger discussion of the global agenda and how to resist.
There is a web site doortofreedom.org that isn't online yet, but is supposed to be coming online. If anyone sees it come alive, please post on this thread about it.
viewing at 1.5 speed worked for me.

I'm going to post this on the censorship thread also.


Edit: Just checked an the website IS now online. https://doortofreedom.org/

That horse paste may even be a cure for lung cancer.


Oh ... and other cancers as well.

Bob B said:

That horse paste may even be a cure for lung cancer.

Ivermectin induces nonprotective autophagy by downregulating PAK1 and apoptosis in lung adenocarcinoma cells - PubMed

This study not only revealed the mechanism of ivermectin inhibited the growth of LUAD but also supported an important theoretical basis for the development of ivermectin during the therapy for LUAD.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Oh ... and other cancers as well.

High-dose Ivermectin shrinks cancer metastases

Recently I reported on a case of Stage IV Colon Cancer that appeared hopeless. The gentleman, Rick, had widespread metastatic disease affecting the liver and lymph nodes and was told

www.thedesertreview.com

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Dr Chetty was one of the doctors who successfully treated a large number of people during the Covid pandemic .... Now, he is moving on to cancer.

Note the terrible side effect from the combination treatment using Ivermectin ..... the patient spontaneously starts singing and dancing ... and looks younger than before.
The other thing to note from this article is that the rapid cancer growth began after getting the Covid vaccination.


He relates the case of Oscar Nacu, a man with a grotesque neck tumor involving canon-ball lung metastases [01:33:53]. After three months of high dose Ivermectin exceeding 2.4 mg/kg per day, the lung metastases shrank, and he no longer required pain medication [01:37:13]. In addition, he walked up to one mile daily and spontaneously sang and danced.

Dr. Shankara Chetty explained, “[01:37:13] Ever since we’ve given him the Lactoferrin and Ivermectin, he no longer takes painkillers. If you will notice, he actually looks younger now than when we started. We still don’t have a cure, but we have a fellow that has been taking Ivermectin since August 29, and he is now at 2.45 mg/kg per day and is still not showing signs of overdosing. And the last I heard was that yesterday he was singing, and he was dancing [01:37:45].”

Now Dr. Chetty comes to an important point – that this tumor became apparent one week after the vaccine. “What we see here is that this tumor came out exactly one week after getting himself vaccinated from the first shot [01:38:06]. He had this small tumor to begin with, and one week later, it started growing.”

This vaccine relationship appeared to be a pattern with other patients [01:41:58]. In another case, a 70-year-old man with a PSA of 26.35 had an enlarged prostate suspicious of cancer [01:42:37]. Following two vaccine doses, his PSA rose to 51.29.

“Immediately, his PSA shoots up to 51 after those first two doses [01:42:59]. He takes a booster on January 6, and his PSA shoots up to 61.75.”

Another PSA showed him to be at 89.11.

“[01:44:12] We immediately brought him up (Ivermectin) to 45 mg per day.” Five weeks after the Ivermectin, he stopped having nocturnal urinary frequency. “On October 5, he sees his Urologist – and the results are spectacular [01:44:31]. What do we see? From the 89.11 PSA he had on August 30 was reduced to 10.94. This 10.94 is less than one-half of his PSA in 2019. This is an indication of how effective Lactoferrin and Ivermectin are together.”

Dr. Chetty admits that at this point, the combination of Ivermectin and Lactoferrin may not be a cancer cure, but it is “really, really effective.”

This is text from that 2nd article in the post above.

Here's a discussion of some of the details of the manufacturing process for the Pfizer Covid vaccine ..... process 1 was used to manufacture the vaccines use for almost all the clinical trial ..... then on to process 2 which was highly contaminated and given to very few people in the trials, but was used to manufacture the vaccines that were distributed ..... seems like that should have been illegal.


Out of 44,000 participants, 250 got the process 2 vaccination.