California proposes “blatant seizure of property” in solar ruling
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Osmethne
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Nice!
teal95
Solar Enthusiast
There are local hearings in MI for a solar "farm" to go in ~300 yards from my house. I wouldn't mind but the plan is 1000+ acres in. Consumers Energy cover a good chunk of lower MI and their issue is that most of their territory gets heavy Lake driven cloud cover a good chunk of the year (basically 95% October through January, when Lake Michigan finally starts gets colder than the air temp). So they are limited on where they can optimally put it and the state has an increasing % every year that must be "green" sourced.
The issue with massive "farms" is they then require massive infrastructure improvements to support it. With a small setup they could just use the lines that are there as distributed generation. With the size they're driving towards it will have to have it's own substation (or 2) and new high voltage lines.
Which comes back to giving a more favorable rate for home generation. If it's going out of my house and into my neighbors it's both fulfilling their "green" requirements and allowing them to avoid up sizing the local equipment with all the city slickers moving into my formerly rural area.
The issue with massive "farms" is they then require massive infrastructure improvements to support it. With a small setup they could just use the lines that are there as distributed generation. With the size they're driving towards it will have to have it's own substation (or 2) and new high voltage lines.
Which comes back to giving a more favorable rate for home generation. If it's going out of my house and into my neighbors it's both fulfilling their "green" requirements and allowing them to avoid up sizing the local equipment with all the city slickers moving into my formerly rural area.
Late spring & summer I did this (with 1/2 my panels) with fantastic outcomes. This Fall with that lower sun... had to flip them around south with a more severe angle.
highestbid
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What makes you think the Marines would side with California? I was stationed there at one point didn't mean I cared about California.
Ampster
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I think the last solar farm Purchase agreement I saw was at $0.05 per kWh. Anything above that would be more favorable for home generation.
Doggydogworld
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El Paso Electric signed a 1.5 cent deal a few years ago. Today's interest rates have forced prices higher, though.
The majority of solar farms have trackers now, providing a more valuable flat output curve from a little after dawn until almost sunset. Farms also increasingly build in a little storage to even out dips in output from occasional clouds. Larger storage to provide power a few hours after sunset is less common, and not cheap, but pops up here and there. Grid interface (e.g. new substation) is not a major cost driver, but long runs of new transmission wire and/or upgrades of old wire can be very expensive.
Ampster
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I had presumed storage also gave them some ability to store energy during curtailment so they can sell later into the spot market to lower the risk of curtailment reducing revenue..
Nobodybusiness
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Wow I’m in the .1%.
Who knew?
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Jesus. He knew.
Nobodybusiness
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He’s omniscient so doesn’t count.
scoharri
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Not true at all!
SilverbackMP
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Sure it is.
Most folks installing many of these are paycheck to paycheck homesteader types. Not all are YouTube influencers. Hell I suspect I will need to add onto my 72 panel array as I like luxuries and power tools. And I’m middle age which often brings some level of purchasing power along with it.
Sure, if you live in say Cypress, you may get even summer to winter production, but most people don’t live in Cypress.
ksmithaz1
Solar / EV Junkie
I tried to make the point. One needs to define 'Run Out' and 'Grid Systems'. The assumption is that 99.9% of people live where they don't get adequate sun in the winter. I don't live in Alaska, and you don't have to live between the southern and northern tropic lines to get decent sun. This means you just need battery to last long enough for the darker spells, when you get nuthin. It seems thus far that moving from 30 to 60KWH has made a dramatic difference here. I think 90KWH and 20KW of panels would handle a modest 2000sqft home over the majority of the continental US. You would want a generator for full security. Around $40-45K of hardware. You are likely going to need some other method of heat that is not electric, which is generally a given, if you live anywhere the temperature routinely falls below freezing in the winter. We are talking about disconnecting the 'electric' grid.
In hotter/sunny climates your production may go down, but your usage will plummet right along with the temps.
In hotter/sunny climates your production may go down, but your usage will plummet right along with the temps.
Yep. Definitely American.
Can’t imagine living is such tight quarters. That space alone would be barely big enough for all our cars, motorcycles, RVs, boats and jet skis.Yep. Definitely American.
prometheanfire
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90kwh and 18kw is what I'm shooting for actually, will start with the solar, use the tax break to buy 30-60kwh of battery, then the tax break from that to get the last 30kwh of battery.
Nobodybusiness
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Speaking of winter. Who turned off the heat?
Got down to like 24 last night.
39 right now with 30 mph gusting winds.
This is NC dang it not Canada. ?
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