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Victron Charge Controller Price Crash

Solarcabin Channel said:
How do you think they became top tier?

No company becomes top tier without lots of advertising in a competitive market.

Just look for the "includes paid promotion" in their videos. Though some don't post any required notification.
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Victron became top tier because they started in marine and mobile applications, long before infuencers had a role in this world, and in marine applications it is common knowledge that they produce state of the art/reliable products and offer great after sales support.
 
The day Victron offers their AIO products in 120v will be the day people doubting Victrons future will be eating their words.
Their high frequency 230v AIO products are robust and cost competitive, they just don’t make them for US markets yet.

For example: the Multi RS Solar is a 48v 6000w inverter with dual 3kw PV trackers offering 80v-450v strings, 9kw surge, 50a transfer switch, generator assist, 20w idle consumption, VE.Direct, VE.CAN, and Bluetooth in a 27lb form factor is currently $2200USD.
If they can get that in 120v and $2k or less they won’t be able to keep them on the shelf.

Edit: and I would buy 10 of them over any comparable Chinese AIO
 
Solarcabin Channel said:
Believe what you want but no no company becomes top tier without lots of advertising in a competitive market.

Have a great day!
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I kind of think he may have a point.

I have watched I don't know how many off grid youtubers purchase a setup to run offgrid. They seem to be doing fine with what they bought.

This ranged from sungold (which is what caught my attention of course) to growatt etc.

Several episodes show how they are using it to live off grid and how it is doing everything they need and they are happy.

Then all of a sudden they are installing a huge victron setup. Two things that I never really put together till just now is some of these people don't have a big budget yet they suddenly seem to be able to afford all of this victron gear? Were talking about enough stuff to triple the value of the homestead they have just with the victron setup????

Seems a bit strange.
 
Crowz said:
I kind of think he may have a point.

I have watched I don't know how many off grid youtubers purchase a setup to run offgrid. They seem to be doing fine with what they bought.

This ranged from sungold (which is what caught my attention of course) to growatt etc.

Several episodes show how they are using it to live off grid and how it is doing everything they need and they are happy.

Then all of a sudden they are installing a huge victron setup. Two things that I never really put together till just now is some of these people don't have a big budget yet they suddenly seem to be able to afford all of this victron gear? Were talking about enough stuff to triple the value of the homestead they have just with the victron setup????

Seems a bit strange.
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It could just be that they are taking their sole source of energy serious.
I know of 2 specific YouTubers that are “off grid” and went Victron. One posts here, and had a lot of issues with his budget set up. The other used a shipping container and it appears are spending quite a bit up front on anything essential.

I’ll admit I don’t keep track of hardly any solar YouTubers so maybe it’s a broader trend.
I do think there’s also expectations; quality of production vs cost vs expectations as well.
 
Bluedog225 said:
I’ve got a pet theory that is moderately well supported. There seems to be a significant decrease in consumer demand for non-essential stuff going on. Companies like Victron are making forecasts of demand and seeing a decrease in sales volume. Target fairly publicly reduced it’s inventory for the holidays based on predicted consumption. Bezos made public comments along these lines also. There are other examples in a variety of industries.

More money is needed for basic goods (food, shelter, etc). And less is available for stuff like Victron.

I realize deflation has economic implications that some see as net negative but it may be the price to pay after so many years interest free funds and politically influenced fed monetary policy.

To the extent there was opportunistic pricing going on (e.g. lumber prices and automobiles), there may be some significant adjustments downward in general pricing.
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Almost like there is a world wide inflation going on or something... with high interest rates as a result, and people not buying stuff (as intended) to lower consumption. And as a side effect, prices drop due to less demand or something.

That said, please someone find me a 3000VA inverter that can start and run an inductive load and has a stand-by consumption of 10W that is not a Multiplus-II.
 
G00SE said:
It could just be that they are taking their sole source of energy serious.
I know of 2 specific YouTubers that are “off grid” and went Victron. One posts here, and had a lot of issues with his budget set up. The other used a shipping container and it appears are spending quite a bit up front on anything essential.

I’ll admit I don’t keep track of hardly any solar YouTubers so maybe it’s a broader trend.
I do think there’s also expectations; quality of production vs cost vs expectations as well.
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Well with youtubers one thing you can count on if they are having problems your going to know about it.

Problems = viewer interest - Even to the point of making up problems to get more views.

So if they are not whining about problems there aren't any and they haven't thought to get around to making up problems for more views yet.

Suddenly replacing everything out of the blue is very strange in youtube land.

Now the ones that start out with victron makes sense. If they have headaches and switch to victron that even kind of makes sense.

Not having any problems and suddenly putting $10,000 worth of victron in their $1500 shack they built is weird in my opinion (exaggerating the scope of this a bit but its the point I'm trying to get at :) )
 
Crowz said:
I kind of think he may have a point.

I have watched I don't know how many off grid youtubers purchase a setup to run offgrid. They seem to be doing fine with what they bought.

This ranged from sungold (which is what caught my attention of course) to growatt etc.

Several episodes show how they are using it to live off grid and how it is doing everything they need and they are happy.

Then all of a sudden they are installing a huge victron setup. Two things that I never really put together till just now is some of these people don't have a big budget yet they suddenly seem to be able to afford all of this victron gear? Were talking about enough stuff to triple the value of the homestead they have just with the victron setup????

Seems a bit strange.
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It's almost like once they start making money they buy better stuff.
 
pvgirl said:
Victron doesn't seem all that interested in the US fixed solar market, which they might not need.
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Until they do.....

pvgirl said:
They seem to be doing well in the marine, mobile markets, as well as outside of the US.
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They sold plenty of units the past few years. Recession comes, boats, RV's, mobile market would not be a necessity and sales can drop like a rock.
 
Crowz said:
Well with youtubers one thing you can count on if they are having problems your going to know about it.

Problems = viewer interest - Even to the point of making up problems to get more views.

So if they are not whining about problems there aren't any and they haven't thought to get around to making up problems for more views yet.

Suddenly replacing everything out of the blue is very strange in youtube land.

Now the ones that start out with victron makes sense. If they have headaches and switch to victron that even kind of makes sense.

Not having any problems and suddenly putting $10,000 worth of victron in their $1500 shack they built is weird in my opinion (exaggerating the scope of this a bit but its the point I'm trying to get at :) )
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I don’t disagree at all. There may be something to it as YouTube would have me believe the growatts, eg46500, and lvx6048 options do swell. Then one comes here or Facebook and it’s like they should have never been made ?
 
IMHO, Victron doesn't need the US market at all. They are busy providing massive value to EU customers who are trying to avoid absurd and highly variable power costs by providing robust ESS solutions.
 
sunshine_eggo said:
IMHO, Victron doesn't need the US market at all. They are busy providing massive value to EU customers who are trying to avoid absurd and highly variable power costs by providing robust ESS solutions.
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That seems hard to believe since those 1000 sqft homes I read about being in the eu wouldn't have near the power requirements as the usa market does. Kind of hard to sell those high capacity inverters to power homes that can't have but 3kw or less (Ive read that on the forums here) by law.

So I would think the US market would be something they want.
 
Crowz said:
That seems hard to believe since those 1000 sqft homes I read about being in the eu wouldn't have near the power requirements as the usa market does. Kind of hard to sell those high capacity inverters to power homes that can't have but 3kw or less (Ive read that on the forums here) by law.

So I would think the US market would be something they want.
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FYI: The US has less than 5% of the world's population.
 
sunshine_eggo said:
IMHO, Victron doesn't need the US market at all. They are busy providing massive value to EU customers who are trying to avoid absurd and highly variable power costs by providing robust ESS solutions.
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Also keep in mind that companies like EG4, Renogy, EPever, Midnite and in general Chinese inverters/charge controllers/... aren't a thing here. Heck, off-grid isn't really a thing here, but most people who do consider off-grid go Victron (with me being a noticeable exception - but even I go to the Multiplus-II because there is no alternative for what I want) or maybe DEYE if people do research and come across them. We've got SME at the high end, a bunch of stuff for grid tie systems (Fronius and the like), but otherwise the only accessible (read: locally available pretty much anywhere) is Victron. Never mind that grid connecting anything is not straight forward, and most electricians or companies in the field know/support only Victron.

Crowz said:
Kind of hard to sell those high capacity inverters to power homes that can't have but 3kw or less (Ive read that on the forums here) by law.
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I don't know what country that would be in, but I did not hear of such a rule ever before. I power my off-grid place with 6kW. Victron most certainly sells higher capacity inverters here in Europe. Keep in mind that while houses here tend to use less power, the electricity costs more per kWh as well in many countries (looking at you Germany).
 
Crowz said:
Kind of hard to sell those high capacity inverters to power homes that can't have but 3kw or less (Ive read that on the forums here) by law
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The only restrictions in the UK are in relation to grid export. 16A at 230V is allowed for everyone (=3.6kW) - above that, you require permission from the elec company to export more to the grid. This depends on the local network capacity (lines, transformers etc.)

We may have small houses, but we can still use lots of kW's... ?‍??♨️
 
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