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Why is minimum battery temp charging well below self heating temp activation?

joeright

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Specifically, why does Renogy lithium self heating happen at 32 degrees if they can be charged at -4 degrees, according to Renogy's specifications?
 
I’d like to see a copy of the spec.

Heating should start by 33 to allow charging with ambient temps below freezing, and discharge to some temp below freezing. Perhaps the heater can’t keep up at -4.
 
And that's they're using the Ytrium doped cells (or whatever the hell they are 🤣) in their batteries, then that's probably not true, they may be misquoting or you may have misread and they might be referring to the discharge temperature.

A battery can be used to supply power down to a pretty cold temperature, but to charge it at -4 is pretty crazy.
 
My guess is the low wattage internal heater fails to work below -4f.

My second guess is the limit is in part based off warranty claims of their heated batteries.
 
idk
It says on their website, on the particular battery page, heating is activated at 32.
On the specs listing it says the lower end of charging temperature is -4 degrees
 
Charging at -4f is either a typo, or a marketing gimmick.... The actual cells need to be above 32f to charge. Defiantly sounds "better" to somebody who doesn't know any better if they say the -4f and then hope that the heating function can get it above freezing.

The manual says the battery management system has a low charge temp protection trigger of at or below 32f..... (page 14/pdf page number 18)
 
Wouldn't these specs seem to infer that the heater kicks in at 32° (ambient) and keeps up all the way down to -4° (again ambient). But below -4° ambient it wouldn't be able to keep up anymore...?

I would assume (and hope??) that the BMS wouldn't allow any charging current below an internal temp of 32°...??
 
I am curious where the temperature sensor is. Good chance that is the battery case temperature while the internal heater is on.
Make an effort to insulate and keep the charge level up when encountering harsh conditions.
 
I am curious where the temperature sensor is. Good chance that is the battery case temperature while the internal heater is on.
Make an effort to insulate and keep the charge level up when encountering harsh conditions.
Your correct…It is quite amazing how much a good insulated box holds heat of a few hundred lbs of batts….insulation is king…
 
Maybe -4F is ambient WITH heater on ?

boB
(y) I would assume this too ^^^^.

I think what they are trying to say is that using this battery with the heater, you can charge down to that temp. But, below -4F / -20C, the heater won't keep up, so that's the limit.

Edited to add: Oops @Cmiller said exactly that already - I didn't read all the post clearly :(
 
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