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Is there anything between that big Midnight breaker and the batteries? If not, it's really not doing anything.
There's a power in. Still a work in progress. Eventually all batteries will have one of those close to the terminals, prior to the power in. And then a Victron rotary switch between the power in and the distributor in place the mnedc250.
 

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I see from poking around on the website - din rail is what is intended... When I get round to it I'll splurge and get the rails.
The big ones (175A and 250A are front panel mount), no way to din mount them due to their connection posts.
 
It ain't pretty at all...right now I just have one going back to a power in

Final solution I'll prob have one for each battery velcroed to to the side of them with industrial Velcro, prior to the power in.View attachment 212299

I'd like to see a dielectric object ("insulating busbar") between breaker lug and shunt. Or a least a longer negative jumper.
Right now they can pivot to touch. Are those unprotected, straight from battery?

What I cannot figure out is why are there seemingly no good options for panel mount breakers out there?

How about a panel?

Ideally, square knock-out in metal, with holes for the screws.
Maybe just two rectangular pieces, one for top and one for bottom. After mounting, cover with two more rectangles to keep fingers out.

Typical breaker panel bezels have twist-out pieces leaving a square hole, probably not the right dimensions.

I haven't used any bezel mount yet, only plug-on or DIN rail.
 
I'd like to see a dielectric object ("insulating busbar") between breaker lug and shunt. Or a least a longer negative jumper.
Right now they can pivot to touch. Are those unprotected, straight from battery?



How about a panel?

Ideally, square knock-out in metal, with holes for the screws.
Maybe just two rectangular pieces, one for top and one for bottom. After mounting, cover with two more rectangles to keep fingers out.

Typical breaker panel bezels have twist-out pieces leaving a square hole, probably not the right dimensions.

I haven't used any bezel mount yet, only plug-on or DIN rail.
Yes just a work in progress, eventually all the exposed terminals etc will be covered. It's just a distortion from the wide angle lens, the body of the smartshunt would prevent the terminals from shorting out.

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In that case I would say you want a disconnect.
The breaker can fulfill the over current and disconnect functions. Class t and switch per battery being the alternative.

Or I guess breakers in the batteries if off the shelf rack mount etc.
 
The breaker can fulfill the over current and disconnect functions.
I'm of the opinion, and I'm in the minority, that breakers are so bad at the over current part that it's actually more dangerous to have them in the mix. I'll take a disconnect and a fuse. I don't want the disconnect trying to do the fuse's job.
 
I'm of the opinion, and I'm in the minority, that breakers are so bad at the over current part that it's actually more dangerous to have them in the mix. I'll take a disconnect and a fuse. I don't want the disconnect trying to do the fuse's job.
I would agree that unless you pony up for a fully rated breaker like a midnite mnedc you are better off with nothing versus some of the junk that passes as DC breakers.
 
In that case I would say you want a disconnect.
I see nothing wrong with having two levels of overcurrent protection, one for low level events to provide basic overcurrent protection as well as one which can handle a much more severe fault (e.g. a battery short).

I'm of the opinion, and I'm in the minority, that breakers are so bad at the over current part
Surely that depends on the quality of the breaker?

Aside from fuses I use one of these (250 A):
 
Well since I couldn't find a suitable enclosure for the larger panelvmount midnite or Outback breakers I bought some MCCBs. They're chunky enough I hope they do their job.
I also have class T fuses to go on each battery. Yup. Doubling up everything.
 
I see nothing wrong with having two levels of overcurrent protection, one for low level events to provide basic overcurrent protection as well as one which can handle a much more severe fault (e.g. a battery short).
Just speaking for myself here but I don't have a concept of a low level event for DC overcurrents in my system. I am happy to pay the $40 to have the class T do the job.
 
What specific brand of class t fuse are you guys recommending to go between each battery?
 
Bussman (buss) , littlefuse, or eaton are the only 3 brands of fuse I would trust.

All the class T I have are littlefuse. You can buy them under the brand name Blue Sea Systems at a markup. I prefer to just order them without the relabel.

In general people talking about class T mean the JLLN series of fuse. There are a bunch of different series of the class T and they have different package types and mounts.

And don't count on the different brands interchanging.

And there are cheap Chinese ones as well. I.e on amazon UXCELL. I don't know that anyone has tested these to see if they blow at close to rated value. But at $20 for fuse pous holder when they generally go for $40+ for fuse alone


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Personally I use midnite DC breakers but the t class takes less room. For the blue boy brigade the class t lynx power ins are the "seamless" option.

They provide the same protection as a T class?

I'm sure you've mentioned it somewhere in this thread but I didn't see it. In your use case, which specific Midnite DC breaker are you using? Link if you're feeling generous! :)
 
Bussman, littlefuse, or eaton are the only 3 brands of fuse I would trust.

All the class T I have are littlefuse. You can buy them under the brand name Blue Sea Systems at a markup. I prefer to just order them without the relabel.
Once you have the littlefuse # you can search for them everywhere. Even Home Depot sells them.
 
I am skeptical of the fuse being the initial cause, based on the fact that this happened at night with very low currents.

My though is, it could have been a cell that internally shorted, caught on fire and the fuse blew after the fire had already started melting things, one thing falls on top of another, etc.

Everyone is running out, pointing fingers, and changing out their fuses...the thing I'd like to point out is that every devastating fire I've seen on this forum was using raw cells. Not a single one I can recall use pre-built batteries that were fully contained in metal boxes holding smaller quantities of cells within. I'd argue that the metal boxes are what slow down and often times smother out the fires - Seplos makes some and I think they just make sense if you insist on DIYing your batteries.
 
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