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Can Solar & Wind Fix Everything (e.g., Climate Change) with a battery break-through?

As many have said solar will not help with total SHTF scenario.
Solar will help if they ration under any pretext (such as cLIEmate change, etc).
Ofcourse in that case they can easily come for your solar, but govt is usually incompetent, they will go for low hanging fruit first (normal grid, grid connected solar, etc). There are VERY few people with off-grid or hybrid solar systems (only DYers, almost all "commercial come and install" systems are grid tied, monitored on the internet (for your convenience), so will be easily made "obey" the rationing. There is a decent chance that off-grid/hybrid system owners will be left alone simply because they are too few and too much hassle to go after (without fully exposing the tyrranical boot but that will only happen in SHTF scenario where all bets will be off and out.

Solar will also help in case of brownouts/blackouts (if properly designed).
 
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Nobody did any crimes in this Mayberry RFD.town. Places like big cities the lights can blink and things get out of hand ….. so should have been clear. They will spill out of the cities in due time…. Everybody will remember food comes from country not stores……why said later for my area. Again I was not clear. …my bad. Some Areas will break down faster than others.

You will need to keep your food from spoiling I doubt many know how to live without refrigeration. Then the best way to cook is short fires - induction cooking. Food smell travels for a long way. If You want to draw a crowd then fire up your bbq grill. That smell travels a long distance. Ppl in bad areas of world keep cook times short. Things like rice can be dried out and rehydrated over and over… the Vietnamese carried balls of rice. The internet won’t be around for references….. power goes out in my area the internet is gone - my cable runs on grid. Satelite internet like elon musk might work…but doubt it for a real emp in like a black out. You need books.

In war torn countries on deployments…..learned or more so noticed. The easiest way make ppl stay away is put sickness signs out. Nobody wants to get sick. The sewers will back up in no time. Water will stop and ng gas will eventually stop. Best be on septic. …. Have a Well or rain water collection. Stay inside away from others. Starving ppl can see you are not starving. Ppl will be sick from bad hygiene. They will follow you at any signs you have food. Thin up….ration you supplies wait them out. Guns will attract unwanted attention. You won’t have enough bullets at some point….depends where you are and live. The more you resemble a fortress the more they will want in. All the zombie movies you have seen - is and will be starving ppl. Cannibalism happens just not talked about.

Ppl can go about 3 days no water about 30 days with no food each day more weakened state. At later stages giving someone food probably kill them. Usually need hospitalization.

They are predicting mass solar type storms taking out internet and grid at guess when….around election time. So….

Without electricity you and I will be living in 19th century. The big solar panel arrays will draw scavengers…. Ignorant ppl. Already seen a youtube video where one guy was telling ppl get 1 solar panel from an abandoned solar farm and you got it made. 🤣

You are best off hiding stuff and drift away vs confrontations. That john wayne shit is just that. Most ppl think training family is a good idea it is but if one of them gets hurt most ppl will lose their shit and do stupid shit. Be very distracted. Randy Weaver was trained special forces…. They killed his son, his wife, and he was wounded. Those things amounted to huge distractions while under attack.

Basically if you have solar it can do - work to put off 19th century living for a while.

One Second After was an eye opening read for me.
Been ton movies and books on this. It is an eye opener. Some Ppl become very violent to survive.





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Could you survive if the grid went out indefinitely? Barring other problems such as criminal stealing, looting, murder and whatever? That will happen later as society collapse.

For now…. Could your present system provide you with the power needed to do without the electric grid in a survival situation vs completely returning and living in 19th century?

I don’t see the internet or cell or most anything working long in that situation so ….. you would not need power for that. Is - was your home built to help with cooling if air conditioner goes…?

You might want to think about these things. If grid goes gasoline will not be able to pump. Small town near me had power outagefor 7-8 hours a while back. Nothing worked everything was down. Could not buy or do anything No food no gas nothing. All stores - restaurants closed. Had drive to another town to get gas. When I was young if power went out it didn’t matter as much….stores had manual cash registers…. Gas was pumped with generators feeding from main tank. Transactions were done in cash.

That town losing power resulted in complete shut down.
I've been watching freeze drying videos .... It's kind of surprising the range of stuff that can be freeze dried that rehydrates with like 90% of the nutrient value and it will keep for 25 years + if properly done. You can even freeze dry raw meat .... best to freeze dry if it's lean.

I've already bought some commercial freeze dried stuff, but am thinking about getting a freeze dryer

Next thing is water. I haven't figured out what to do there. I'm thinking about a large bladder of some sort in my crawl space and gotta figure out how to keep it healthy.

If anyone want to know how to freeze dry the scientific meticulous way .... this guy is who to watch https://www.youtube.com/@SchoolReports ..... Otherwise just search YouTube for a ton of ideas.

With freeze dried food and water your good to go for a long time if enough stored away .... Refrigeration not necessary.
 
I agree there are more important things, unless you have medical equipment that needs electricity.

But I think the idea was, do you currently have enough solar power to keep the fridge and freezers on for long enough of a time. For me.....I would say just. Here in the spring and fall we can go weeks and never see the sun. That does not do well with solar power. I do have plans to put up an old wind turbine, just because I have it. But that will not do it as well.

If we are still talking about a SHTF type deal you don't want to be running a generator. That is a very loud come here and see what I have and what might be worth taking. Plus about solar is quiet.

Your medical statement goes into why you can't do this alone, you will need trusted help.

This kind of stuff usually falls into the "prepper" side of things. IMHO this is what it is going to be like. Some of you might not have read this.

I hope this link is ok, I don't see much about guns overhere.


Will Prowse has some handsome guns. Check his Instagram for stuff. :cool:I believe gun stuff is fine on here it's just that there are plenty of sites for that already so they don't get discussed much.
 
Will Prowse has some handsome guns. Check his Instagram for stuff. :cool:I believe gun stuff is fine on here it's just that there are plenty of sites for that already so they don't get discussed much.
Remember Murphy posting that .50 cal. Last thing ppl need to do is advertise. Just my 2 cents.

The less you say the less they can dig up if you have to defend - and end in court case. Guaranteed ppl will end up in court now after self defense. It has been made abundantly clear.


I think am going to buy second set of batteries for my system.

I've been watching freeze drying videos .... It's kind of surprising the range of stuff that can be freeze dried that rehydrates with like 90% of the nutrient value and it will keep for 25 years + if properly done. You can even freeze dry raw meat .... best to freeze dry if it's lean.

I've already bought some commercial freeze dried stuff, but am thinking about getting a freeze dryer

Next thing is water. I haven't figured out what to do there. I'm thinking about a large bladder of some sort in my crawl space and gotta figure out how to keep it healthy.

If anyone want to know how to freeze dry the scientific meticulous way .... this guy is who to watch https://www.youtube.com/@SchoolReports ..... Otherwise just search YouTube for a ton of ideas.

With freeze dried food and water your good to go for a long time if enough stored away .... Refrigeration not necessary.
Jerky was used thoughout history. Lean meat is required. The fat was used make tallow which was used for all kinds of things. Salt is hard to make…. Roman Soldier were once partially paid with salt. Imagine that.

I ate some of first mre dehydrated meals beef patty pork patty vegetables fruits…. Never eat it dry and drink water. Blows up in the guts. 🤣 Rehydrate and then eat. ….. Think the military did away with them. Took proper prep soak time. The matches heads made good laxative. 🤣 Chalk and citrus pulp make good anti-acid. Old C rats were pretty nasty too. Think the c ration crackers were better then mre crackers.

That mre candy bar was worse then eating bar soap after caught cussing as kid. 🤣😳🤡
 
I ate some of first mre dehydrated meals beef patty pork patty vegetables fruits…. Never eat it dry and drink water. Blows up in the guts. 🤣 Rehydrate and then eat. ….. Think the military did away with them. Took proper prep soak time. The matches heads made good laxative. 🤣 Chalk and citrus pulp make good anti-acid.

That mre candy bar was worse then eating bar soap after caught cussing as kid. 🤣😳🤡
remember the dehydrated pork sausage patty? That and the crackers and the cheese spread made a damn fine sandwich... even if you could not shit for four days after eating it!
 
What would we do with the graphene from Turquoise Hydrogen?
Saw an interesting poll on what Americans wanted to ask climate
scientists about. It broke the data up in a few ways... (images are links).
If you could ask one question, what would it be?

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Quick answers to common questions:
 

A Shockingly Inept Report From The IEA On Battery Storage Of Energy​

In my self-designated role critiquing various schemes for total transformation of the world energy system, I get to review large amounts of poor, shoddy, and incompetent work. When people get into advocating for this “energy transition,” the stars regularly align to bring forth the most extreme levels of ineptitude. Start with the fact that the “smartest” people are filled with arrogance and hubris, but are not actually very smart. Add that many innumerate Politics and English majors have flooded into a field that cries out for engineering calculations. Add too that groupthink and orthodoxy enforcement prevent anyone from pointing out obvious flaws. And then throw in a strong dose of religious zealotry that obstructs the intrusion of anything resembling critical thinking. All in all, it’s a prescription for catastrophe.

But in a field rife with bad, worse, still worse, and even dangerously incompetent work, I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anything as shockingly inept as the Report just out from the International Energy Agency with the title “Batteries and Secure Energy Transitions.” The Report has a date only specified to the month of “April 2024,” but the press release came out just two days ago on April 25.

If I had been given the assignment by the North Koreans to write the Report to somehow induce the West to self-destruct, I don’t know how I would have done it differently.

Are you familiar with the International Energy Agency? It is not part of the UN, but rather a separate consortium currently of some 40+ countries, mostly Western and mostly rich, founded in the wake of the oil shocks of the 1970s with a then-goal of promoting energy security. It is based, of course, in Paris. The current (and since 2015) head is a guy named Fatih Barol. Here is a picture of Barol from Wikipedia:

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Somewhere along the line the IEA completely lost track of the energy security mission, and turned into an unabashed advocate for the green energy transition. That’s where they are today.
 
I don’t know how many people work at the IEA, but it seems like most to all of them got in on writing this Report. On page 5 there is a list of some 35 “directors,” “lead authors,” and “principal authors” from among IEA employees, plus another 4 who provided “support,” and then, on pages 6 to 8, some 89 people said to be “high-level government representatives and international experts from outside of the IEA” who somehow “contributed to the process.” From the content of the Report, one has to wonder if any of these people ever completed the study of arithmetic at the sixth-grade level, let alone if any have read any of the important work in this area.

The thesis of the Report is that batteries, and particularly lithium ion batteries, are the key to the impending energy transition, and need to be scaled up massively and immediately with whatever amount of government subsidies and handouts that it takes. Here are a few quotes from the press release:

After their deployment in the power sector more than doubled last year, batteries need to lead a sixfold increase in global energy storage to enable the world to meet 2030 targets. . . . In the first comprehensive analysis of the entire battery ecosystem, the IEA’s Special Report on Batteries and Secure Energy Transitions sets out the role that batteries can play alongside renewables as a competitive, secure and sustainable alternative to electricity generation from fossil fuels. . . . IEA Executive Director Fatih Birol [said,] “Batteries will provide the foundations in both areas, playing an invaluable role in scaling up renewables and electrifying transport while delivering secure and sustainable energy for businesses and households.

I suppose it would be too much for me to expect these grandees to have read my energy storage report, published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation in December 2022. But if you are claiming that you have at hand a “competitive, secure and sustainable alternative to electricity generation from fossil fuels,” as these guys are, there is a series of very obvious question that must be addressed. Those include:

  • Quantitatively, how much energy storage, in watt-hours (or gigawatt-hours) will be necessary to provide full back-up to a national electricity grid once all fossil fuel back-up has been banished and the storage is all that is available when the instantaneous generators are not supplying the full demand?
  • How much will that amount of storage cost?
  • What is the maximum length of time that energy must be held in storage before it is called upon, and is the proposed storage technology capable of the task of storing energy for that period of time?
There are other comparably important questions, but at least those are absolutely essential.

The IEA Report addresses none of them.

What we get instead is endless happy talk about the wonders of lithium ion battery technology, how the costs are falling rapidly, how deployments are soaring, and how utopia (i.e., meeting UN COP 28 emissions reduction targets) is right around the corner if only we accelerate the process with massive government “support.” The full Report is some 159 pages (with appendices and references), so I can only give you a small sample. But here are a few choice quotes from the Executive Summary:

  • From page 11: “Batteries are an essential part of the global energy system today and the fastest growing energy technology on the market. Battery storage in the power sector was the fastest growing energy technology in 2023 that was commercially available, with deployment more than doubling year-on-year.”
  • Also from page 11: “Lithium-ion batteries dominate battery use due to recent cost reductions and performance improvements. Lithium-ion batteries have outclassed alternatives over the last decade, thanks to 90% cost reductions since 2010, higher energy densities and longer lifetimes.”
  • From page 12: “Policy support has given a boost for batteries deployment in many markets but the supply chain for batteries is very concentrated. Strong government support for the rollout of EVs and incentives for battery storage are expanding markets for batteries around the world.” [For the obtuse among the readership, “policy support” is code for vast subsidies and handouts.]
  • More from page 12: “Batteries are key to the transition away from fossil fuels and accelerate the pace of energy efficiency through electrification and greater use of renewables in power.”
  • Still on page 12: “To triple global renewable energy capacity by 2030 while maintaining electricity security, energy storage needs to increase six-times. To facilitate the rapid uptake of new solar PV and wind, global energy storage capacity increases to 1 500 GW by 2030 in the NZE Scenario, which meets the Paris Agreement target of limiting global average temperature increases to 1.5°C or less in 2100. Battery storage delivers 90% of that growth, rising 14-fold to 1200 GW by 2030.”
Check out that last bullet point. Yes, they are so dumb that they discuss energy storage capacity in GW rather than GWh. How did they come up with the line that to reach their goals “energy storage needs to increase six-times” when they don’t even know the right units to do the calculations? You won’t find an answer in this Report. In my own energy storage report, I calculated that to reach a zero-emissions electricity sector that could get through a year without fossil fuel back-up would require increasing energy storage by something around 10,000 times. I used the correct units and showed how my calculations were done.

And how about the question of the length of time that energy must remain in storage to back-up a wind/solar powered grid, and whether the proposed technology is up to the task? In my own report, which only considered scenarios of getting through a single year, I showed that much of the stored energy would need to be held for 6 – 12 months before use. In a further blog post on September 28, 2023, I covered a new report then out from the UK’s Royal Society (described by me as “semi-competent”), which used 37 years of data. Based on the 37 years of data, that report concluded that hundreds of hours worth of grid peak usage would need to be held in storage for multiple decades in order to get through worst-case sun and wind droughts. I had this quote from the Executive Summary of the Royal Society report:

Wind supply can vary over time scales of decades and tens of TWhs of very long-duration storage will be needed. The scale is over 1000 times that currently provided by pumped hydro in the UK, and far more than could conceivably be provided by conventional batteries.

(Emphasis mine.). I’m ready to forgive these IEA guys for not being familiar with my own report, but not for complete ignorance of the Royal Society’s effort.

The entire discussion that I can find in the IEA Report on the problem of need for massive amounts of very long duration storage consists of a chart and one paragraph of text on page 47. Here is the chart:

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And the text:

Iron air and other battery technologies that potentially could enable the storage of electricity over longer durations measured in weeks, are still in their infancy. Currently it is not clear whether those technologies can be developed so as to provide what is required in a cost-efficient way. For even longer duration storage, such as seasonal storage, battery technologies are not fit for purpose, and other mechanical, e.g. pumped storage hydro, and chemical, e.g. hydrogen storage, technologies need to be deployed.

So 90 plus percent of the storage needed to back up the intermittently-supplied grid needs to be stored for months and years, but the only battery technologies that can even last for “weeks” are things that are “in their infancy” and where it is “not clear” that they can be provided in a “cost-efficient way.”

Overall, a shockingly inept and embarrassing piece of work from the IEA. Undoubtedly our government will react by piling forth a few more hundreds of billions of dollars to subsidize batteries to do a job for which they are completely “unsuitable.”
 
remember the dehydrated pork sausage patty? That and the crackers and the cheese spread made a damn fine sandwich... even if you could not shit for four days after eating it!
Pork patty or beef patty needed hot water. 🤣 No hot water. Ate it anyway. That cheese had to be kneaded or would dump out oil and dried shit was left. Filled with preservatives…nasty smell…can still smell it.. 🤣 that mre peanut butter was same. Ever notice the MRE bags - first ones you could not rip open…had use a knife. Later they put tear tabs to help open. I reckon you know how to wipe your butt with single sheet mre toilet paper? 🤣
 

Overview of CO2 removal strategies

CO2 removal from the the flue runs ~$34/t, which is the lowest cost
"proven" solution, but typically isn't talked about because it's fairly
mature and does nothing to solve the problem that already exists.

That's just a number and probably not meaningful. So, let's turn it
around to talk about that scary 👻 fear that fighting climate change
means giving up meat or eating bugs.

According to these guys, a 3.5 oz (100g) steak created 15.5kg (34 lbs) of GHGs.

You can see why people look at it funny, that's a lot of GHGs
for what you're getting. Not sure it's actually that high on average, but it's
good for our math as a worse-case number.

At my local Walmart, hamburger costs $5/lb. So, making one pound
hamburger created 16/3.5 *15.5 = 69 kg CO
2eq

At $10 to $50/tonne removal, that's 69/1000 * $50 = $0.05.
So, the cost increase is, at most, a nickle per pound.
That's the sum of all your fears.
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Someone asked me from the previous post about seagrass as carbon capture as it's also currently done. According to this, it's about $18/tonne.

They also asked what the carbon cost would be for a gallon of gas. One gallon of gas makes ~20 pounds of CO2 (ref), so at $18/tonne, 9 kg * 18/1000 kg = $0.16 per gallon.
 

Britain must spend £30bn to strip CO2 from atmosphere and hit net zero, experts warn​

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Britain must invest £30bn in a network of massive air cleansing systems designed to strip CO2 from the atmosphere if it is to reach net zero, a government-funded report has warned.

The “direct air carbon capture systems” would remove up to 48 million tonnes of CO2 from the air each year and then pump it into disused oil and gas reservoirs under the North Sea or Irish Sea.

Without such a scheme the UK will never reach
its target of net zero emissions by 2050, according to the report by Energy Systems Catapult, a government-funded body that promotes innovation.

It also warns that direct capture will be essential if the UK is to maintain an aviation industry, because aircraft are unlikely ever to
run entirely on sustainable fuels.

“Beyond 2040 we see few options to abate remaining emissions so use of direct air carbon capture and storage (DACCS) will be required,” it said.

“Direct air capture would collect 38-48 million tonnes of CO2 a year by 2050. This technology appears to be essential to meeting net zero in all our scenarios and yet remains unproven at scale.”

Direct air capture plants would need to be built along the UK’s east coast, from East Anglia to Aberdeen, so that the CO2 captured could be
pumped to storage sites under the North Sea, the study said.

The Climate Change Committee, which advises the Government, has described direct air capture as “a necessity, not an option”, for the UK to meet its net zero targets.

A Department for Energy Security and Net Zero spokesman said removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere was essential in helping the UK achieve energy security and independence.

The spokesman added: “The UK has one of the greatest CO2 storage potentials of any country in the world, with the North Sea having the potential to hold an estimated 78 billion tonnes. We are tapping into this potential by investing £20bn in carbon capture and storage, driving economic growth and supporting up to 50,000 jobs.

“We are also investing up to £100m in research and innovation for greenhouse gas removal technologies such as Direct Air Capture.”


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/04/28/britain-30bn-strip-co2-atmosphere-hit-net-zero

If the Government has any backbone, it would throw this report in the bin, and assure the public it will not under any circumstances waste taxpayers’ money on green virtue signalling.

After all, if aviation emissions cannot be eliminated, this means the rest of the world will be in the same position, so why should we pay for something which will make no difference?

And as the report admits, they have no idea how or whether this daft idea will actually work. So they also have no idea of its cost – it might be £30bn, or it might be £300bn.

No sane government, (which would rule out one with Ed Miliband in charge!) should even contemplate going down this avenue.

Quite where DESNZ gets the idea that “removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere was essential in helping the UK achieve energy security and independence” is a mystery! Indeed, these carbon capture devices won’t run on moonshine – they will need energy, and lots of it, in turn reducing our energy security.

And as one commenter points out, the report does no come from a “promoter of innovation”, but a govt funded climate change advocacy group:

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Developing Nations Reject Western Carbon Colonialism​


Guyana President Irfaan Ali is the latest leader of a developing nation to publicly note the hypocrisy of those pressuring countries like his to forego wealth in pursuit of a “green” agenda.

In a fiery response to a BBC interviewer’s questioning of Guyana’s “right” to emit carbon dioxide in developing $150 billion of oil and gas reserves, President Ali questioned the reporter’s “right to lecture us on climate change. I will lecture you on climate change.”

It is not new, but still dismaying, that many leaders of developed nations assume a posture of moral superiority in leveling criticisms at countries with expanding economies and increasing emissions of carbon dioxide. Ensconced in seats of power from Brussels to Washington, D.C., they point accusing fingers while overlooking centuries of using coal, oil and natural gas to enrich their own countries.

The double standard fails to acknowledge the urgent needs of less advanced countries endeavouring to improve the lot of an impoverished citizenry. Such a nation is Guyana, the third smallest South American country in area.

The Guyanese president told the British journalist that it was hypocritical for rich countries to ask poor ones to reduce emissions. President Ali questioned the moral authority of those that benefited from the hydrocarbon-driven Industrial Revolution, whose most notable technological impetus was the coal-fired steam engine.

“The world, in the last 50 years, has lost 65% of all its biodiversity,” said the president whose country is home to a large rainforest. “We have kept our biodiversity. Are you valuing it. Are you ready to pay for it? When is the developed world going to pay for it, or are you in their pockets?”

President Ali’s comments echo those of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and others who have rejected the climate alarmists’ hostility to fossil fuels in favor of exploiting hydrocarbons to support economic growth.

From the perspective of a developing country, the climate crusaders are particularly annoying when they travel in fuel-guzzling private jets to exclusive locations for United Nations’ climate conferences. The amount of CO2 such a flights release surpasses the yearly emissions of an ordinary individual in a developing country.

Per Capita Emissions and Energy Poverty

Except for nuclear power, fossil fuels are the densest form of energy and so are the most efficient in powering economic growth. Their use — and their CO2 emissions — have a direct relationship with a society’s wealth. Economies with low poverty rates either have high per capita emissions, or have been through a phase when emissions were elevated, because of the central role that fossil fuels played in their development.

Thus, barring a few countries that are blessed with abundant water resources for hydroelectric generation or with nuclear power plants, low per capita emissions equate to poverty. While large developing countries like India produce a significant amount of CO2 emissions in total, the per capita emissions of individual citizens are dwarfed by the carbon footprints of people in the developed West.

For example, global per capita CO2 emissions in 2022 were just over 4 tons while India’s were less than 2 tons. In the U.K. — the BBC’s home — per capita emissions were almost 5 tons.

The African continent has per capita emissions of less than 1 ton; the Central African Republic, 0.05 tons, with 70 percent of its citizens in extreme poverty, making it the fifth poorest country in the world. Another African country among the five poorest is the Democratic Republic of Congo with just 0.04 tons per capita. According to the World Bank, 4.6% of the Congolese people live on less than $2.15 per day.

Doomsday-promoting politicians cling to their luxuries while millions have no access to clean water, modern appliances and automobiles. The Guyanese president and others are quite right to call out the hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy.

PS. CO2 does not cause "warming". CO2 is NOT a pollutant. It only pollutes the heads of uneducated people.
 

Forbes Calls BS on the latest Climate Economics Doomsday Prediction​


”… While I am not an economist, in my opinion the data seems flawed. …”

New Study: Climate Change Could Reduce The World Economy 19% By 2049
Jon McGowan
Contributor
I am an attorney who writes about ESG policy, laws, and regulations.
A new study claims that loss of productivity because of climate change could result in a 19% reduction in the world economy by 2049. Despite the number being significantly higher than previous studies, the authors claim their numbers are conservative and could be as high 29% of the global GDP. Climate activists were quick to latch onto the study, calling for more aggressive measures to prevent climate change and fund mitigation efforts.
The study, The economic commitment of climate change, was published in Nature on April 17 by researchers at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, also known as PIK, a non-profit organization funded by the German government.

While I am not an economist, in my opinion the data seems flawed. According to a study published by NOAA in January 2024, the average temperature has risen 2° F since 1850. In that same period, the global GDP increased from $1.73 trillion to $134.08 trillion. If we accept the climate projection models used in the study, it dismisses the resiliency of human nature and our ability to overcome economic challenges.

Read more: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmcg...the-world-economy-19-by-2049/?sh=7c99ce5440b8
The abstract of the study;

The economic commitment of climate change
Abstract
Global projections of macroeconomic climate-change damages typically consider impacts from average annual and national temperatures over long time horizons1,2,3,4,5,6. Here we use recent empirical findings from more than 1,600 regions worldwide over the past 40 years to project sub-national damages from temperature and precipitation, including daily variability and extremes7,8. Using an empirical approach that provides a robust lower bound on the persistence of impacts on economic growth, we find that the world economy is committed to an income reduction of 19% within the next 26 years independent of future emission choices (relative to a baseline without climate impacts, likely range of 11–29% accounting for physical climate and empirical uncertainty). These damages already outweigh the mitigation costs required to limit global warming to 2 °C by sixfold over this near-term time frame and thereafter diverge strongly dependent on emission choices. Committed damages arise predominantly through changes in average temperature, but accounting for further climatic components raises estimates by approximately 50% and leads to stronger regional heterogeneity. Committed losses are projected for all regions except those at very high latitudes, at which reductions in temperature variability bring benefits. The largest losses are committed at lower latitudes in regions with lower cumulative historical emissions and lower present-day income.
Read more: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07219-0
Spot on Jon McGowan – it’s near impossible to produce a scary projection without making some pretty questionable assumptions. From the study above;

… Following a well-developed literature2,3,19, these projections do not aim to provide a prediction of future economic growth. Instead, they are a projection of the exogenous impact of future climate conditions on the economy relative to the baselines specified by socio-economic projections, based on the plausibly causal relationships inferred by the empirical models and assuming ceteris paribus. Other exogenous factors relevant for the prediction of economic output are purposefully assumed constant. …
Read more: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07219-0
Holding as many variables as possible static, while changing only those variables you want to study, is a time honoured method of analysing complex systems.

But as the authors admit, their study is not realistic. My understanding of the study is they are attempting to abstract the impact say more extreme weather would have on the economy, if nobody attempted to mitigate these problems, say by building better drainage and water management systems to manage floods, and bigger reservoirs to maintain agricultural output during severe droughts.

As Forbes author Jon McGowan rightly points out, there are good reasons to doubt the real world applicability of the predictions of the study, even if we pretend their admittedly unrealistic assumptions are realistic.

Why would the next 0.5C of warming be so much worse than the previous 0.5C of warming?

There is no historical evidence which suggests the next 0.5C of warming, if it occurs, would be any worse than what we have already experienced. There is no evidence extreme weather is getting worse, despite the predictions of climate models which were used as the basis of the study quoted above.

In fact there are good reasons to believe additional warming might produce a better climate for humans.

Global warming is not evenly distributed across the world. Polar amplification is the observed strong tendency for global warming to be pushed away from the equator to where it is actually needed.

If global warming continues, by 2049 there is a very good chance there will be more viable agricultural land available for our use, not less. Canadian Geographic admitted in 2020 that global warming is opening millions of square kilometres of new agricultural land, and will continue to do so if the world continues to warm.

I’m personally pleased Jon McGowan and Forbes published this rare criticism of alarmist global warming tropes. Let’s hope more news outlets and authors find the courage in future to question the steady stream of increasingly exaggerated and implausible claims of how doomed we all are.
 
I don’t know how many people work at the IEA, but it seems like most to all of them got in on writing this Report. On page 5 there is a list of some 35 “directors,” “lead authors,” and “principal authors” from among IEA employees, plus another 4 who provided “support,” and then, on pages 6 to 8, some 89 people said to be “high-level government representatives and international experts from outside of the IEA” who somehow “contributed to the process.” From the content of the Report, one has to wonder if any of these people ever completed the study of arithmetic at the sixth-grade level, let alone if any have read any of the important work in this area.

The thesis of the Report is that batteries, and particularly lithium ion batteries, are the key to the impending energy transition, and need to be scaled up massively and immediately with whatever amount of government subsidies and handouts that it takes. Here are a few quotes from the press release:

After their deployment in the power sector more than doubled last year, batteries need to lead a sixfold increase in global energy storage to enable the world to meet 2030 targets. . . . In the first comprehensive analysis of the entire battery ecosystem, the IEA’s Special Report on Batteries and Secure Energy Transitions sets out the role that batteries can play alongside renewables as a competitive, secure and sustainable alternative to electricity generation from fossil fuels. . . . IEA Executive Director Fatih Birol [said,] “Batteries will provide the foundations in both areas, playing an invaluable role in scaling up renewables and electrifying transport while delivering secure and sustainable energy for businesses and households.

I suppose it would be too much for me to expect these grandees to have read my energy storage report, published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation in December 2022. But if you are claiming that you have at hand a “competitive, secure and sustainable alternative to electricity generation from fossil fuels,” as these guys are, there is a series of very obvious question that must be addressed. Those include:

  • Quantitatively, how much energy storage, in watt-hours (or gigawatt-hours) will be necessary to provide full back-up to a national electricity grid once all fossil fuel back-up has been banished and the storage is all that is available when the instantaneous generators are not supplying the full demand?
  • How much will that amount of storage cost?
  • What is the maximum length of time that energy must be held in storage before it is called upon, and is the proposed storage technology capable of the task of storing energy for that period of time?
There are other comparably important questions, but at least those are absolutely essential.

The IEA Report addresses none of them.

What we get instead is endless happy talk about the wonders of lithium ion battery technology, how the costs are falling rapidly, how deployments are soaring, and how utopia (i.e., meeting UN COP 28 emissions reduction targets) is right around the corner if only we accelerate the process with massive government “support.” The full Report is some 159 pages (with appendices and references), so I can only give you a small sample. But here are a few choice quotes from the Executive Summary:

  • From page 11: “Batteries are an essential part of the global energy system today and the fastest growing energy technology on the market. Battery storage in the power sector was the fastest growing energy technology in 2023 that was commercially available, with deployment more than doubling year-on-year.”
  • Also from page 11: “Lithium-ion batteries dominate battery use due to recent cost reductions and performance improvements. Lithium-ion batteries have outclassed alternatives over the last decade, thanks to 90% cost reductions since 2010, higher energy densities and longer lifetimes.”
  • From page 12: “Policy support has given a boost for batteries deployment in many markets but the supply chain for batteries is very concentrated. Strong government support for the rollout of EVs and incentives for battery storage are expanding markets for batteries around the world.” [For the obtuse among the readership, “policy support” is code for vast subsidies and handouts.]
  • More from page 12: “Batteries are key to the transition away from fossil fuels and accelerate the pace of energy efficiency through electrification and greater use of renewables in power.”
  • Still on page 12: “To triple global renewable energy capacity by 2030 while maintaining electricity security, energy storage needs to increase six-times. To facilitate the rapid uptake of new solar PV and wind, global energy storage capacity increases to 1 500 GW by 2030 in the NZE Scenario, which meets the Paris Agreement target of limiting global average temperature increases to 1.5°C or less in 2100. Battery storage delivers 90% of that growth, rising 14-fold to 1200 GW by 2030.”
Check out that last bullet point. Yes, they are so dumb that they discuss energy storage capacity in GW rather than GWh. How did they come up with the line that to reach their goals “energy storage needs to increase six-times” when they don’t even know the right units to do the calculations? You won’t find an answer in this Report. In my own energy storage report, I calculated that to reach a zero-emissions electricity sector that could get through a year without fossil fuel back-up would require increasing energy storage by something around 10,000 times. I used the correct units and showed how my calculations were done.

And how about the question of the length of time that energy must remain in storage to back-up a wind/solar powered grid, and whether the proposed technology is up to the task? In my own report, which only considered scenarios of getting through a single year, I showed that much of the stored energy would need to be held for 6 – 12 months before use. In a further blog post on September 28, 2023, I covered a new report then out from the UK’s Royal Society (described by me as “semi-competent”), which used 37 years of data. Based on the 37 years of data, that report concluded that hundreds of hours worth of grid peak usage would need to be held in storage for multiple decades in order to get through worst-case sun and wind droughts. I had this quote from the Executive Summary of the Royal Society report:

Wind supply can vary over time scales of decades and tens of TWhs of very long-duration storage will be needed. The scale is over 1000 times that currently provided by pumped hydro in the UK, and far more than could conceivably be provided by conventional batteries.

(Emphasis mine.). I’m ready to forgive these IEA guys for not being familiar with my own report, but not for complete ignorance of the Royal Society’s effort.

The entire discussion that I can find in the IEA Report on the problem of need for massive amounts of very long duration storage consists of a chart and one paragraph of text on page 47. Here is the chart:

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And the text:

Iron air and other battery technologies that potentially could enable the storage of electricity over longer durations measured in weeks, are still in their infancy. Currently it is not clear whether those technologies can be developed so as to provide what is required in a cost-efficient way. For even longer duration storage, such as seasonal storage, battery technologies are not fit for purpose, and other mechanical, e.g. pumped storage hydro, and chemical, e.g. hydrogen storage, technologies need to be deployed.

So 90 plus percent of the storage needed to back up the intermittently-supplied grid needs to be stored for months and years, but the only battery technologies that can even last for “weeks” are things that are “in their infancy” and where it is “not clear” that they can be provided in a “cost-efficient way.”

Overall, a shockingly inept and embarrassing piece of work from the IEA. Undoubtedly our government will react by piling forth a few more hundreds of billions of dollars to subsidize batteries to do a job for which they are completely “unsuitable.”
So you are claiming to have roughly calculated out the needed capacity of stored energy for one year for the entire world? And that the IEA has done the same but used incorrect units? BTW I agree with you, but have done no calculations.. just a gut feeling
 
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