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Determine battery type by nominal voltage?

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I am new to battery technology and I am working on a problem I have with batteries I bought. I cannot find the specs for the cells used in these batteries. Would I be safe to assume that my cells are LiFePO4 based on the sole fact that they are a 3.2v cell? They are at least 3 years old if changes over time need to be accounted for.
 
Do you know the state of charge of the cells? A fully charged lifepo4 cell will be sitting around 3.6v. Judging on voltage alone is always a bit of a guess as you never really know what the manufacturer has done to the cell's chemistry to get their paper specs.
 
Do you know the state of charge of the cells? A fully charged lifepo4 cell will be sitting around 3.6v. Judging on voltage alone is always a bit of a guess as you never really know what the manufacturer has done to the cell's chemistry to get their paper specs.
No I cannot state SOC but most cells(16) are currently at 3.2 - 3.5v. One bank of 4 is at 2.83v. Slowly getting familiar with this technology. I'm trying to understand how to charge and discharge these cells so I can determine their over all health and see if I can salvage the battery.
 
You could pull a cell out and test charge it. There might even be some writing on the cell you can use to identify it. I'm not really sure of this to be honest but limit current to a reasonable figure, 100mA, set the voltage to 4.2 and then monitor the current as the cell comes up.
 
Can you find any model number embedded in the case of the cell then do a google search for that model? See what you come up with.
 
You could pull a cell out and test charge it. There might even be some writing on the cell you can use to identify it. I'm not really sure of this to be honest but limit current to a reasonable figure, 100mA, set the voltage to 4.2 and then monitor the current as the cell comes up.
I just ordered some parts and testers to start delving into this. I don't have any thing to start trouble shooting these cells but I've opened up the case and removed all the cells.
 
Can you find any model number embedded in the case of the cell then do a google search for that model? See what you come up with.

The cells are TOPBAND 3.2v 80Wh. The number on the cell, 2770180 returns TB-027070180D-FE-25Ah, on one TOPBAND site.
The 80Wh equates to 25Ah and they are both 3.2v. The difference is in the dimensions in that my cell is a little shorter. Other dimensions the same. With all the copying going on in China, not sure I trust what I found yet. I emailed TOPBAND and just have to wait to see if they respond at all.

Some of the cells are swollen. Any ideas what would cause that?
 
The cells are TOPBAND 3.2v 80Wh. The number on the cell, 2770180 returns TB-027070180D-FE-25Ah, on one TOPBAND site.
The 80Wh equates to 25Ah and they are both 3.2v. The difference is in the dimensions in that my cell is a little shorter. Other dimensions the same. With all the copying going on in China, not sure I trust what I found yet. I emailed TOPBAND and just have to wait to see if they respond at all.

Some of the cells are swollen. Any ideas what would cause that?
I had an mp3 player that had an early form of lithium battery and the battery slowly swelled and eventually puffed out the mps player and broke it apart but it still worked just fine. https://www.dfrsolutions.com/blog/why-do-lithium-ion-batteries-swell
 
I had an mp3 player that had an early form of lithium battery and the battery slowly swelled and eventually puffed out the mps player and broke it apart but it still worked just fine. https://www.dfrsolutions.com/blog/why-do-lithium-ion-batteries-swell
Thanks for the article. Interesting but not conclusive. Will be interesting how the numbers look once I start testing them. Because the BMS failed in that battery, over discharge/charging seem likely. All 4 in one bank are swollen.
 
From my understanding, nominal v of LIPO would be more around 3.7v whereas LiFePO4 is 3.2v??
Nominal sure that's the paper spec, but actual comes down to the state of charge and specific chemistry. So if you look at a cell with 3.2v on it, without any other information, all you can say is that the voltage across the terminals is 3.2v.
 
I wonder if incompatible BMS's can damage each other when connected in a particular configuration, (ie series vs parallel), or in situations where voltage and/or current exceed the rating of the BMS's?
 
Nominal sure that's the paper spec, but actual comes down to the state of charge and specific chemistry. So if you look at a cell with 3.2v on it, without any other information, all you can say is that the voltage across the terminals is 3.2v.

Not sure if it makes any difference (my lack of knowledge) but the cell has 3.2v stamped on it.
 
I wonder if incompatible BMS's can damage each other when connected in a particular configuration, (ie series vs parallel), or in situations where voltage and/or current exceed the rating of the BMS's?

From what I have learned so far, some battery and BMS (cells too for that matter) spec sheets say whether they can be connected in serial or parallel or neither so I guess that is a real issue. Unfortunately I don't have that info and never will if TOPBAND won't open up a dialogue with me.
 
From what I have learned so far, some battery and BMS (cells too for that matter) spec sheets say whether they can be connected in serial or parallel or neither so I guess that is a real issue. Unfortunately I don't have that info and never will if TOPBAND won't open up a dialogue with me.
~~ I am also not stranger to having trouble establishing a dialouge, getting answers to my questions and getting spec sheets with pacific rim manufactured solar equipment and batteries. It helps if the equipment can be purchased from a reputable provider who has an established location on the North American continent with technically savvy salespeople who can find answers to your technical questions. For what its worth, im pretty sure that Topband knows their stuff and knows how to build their products and they have been around about twenty years. The following link contains some different ways to communicate with them, (including live chat), not sure if they have good translators on staff give it a try? Good luck, be patient, have your model and serial numbers and purchase information available and keep your language and questions simple.
 
~~ I am also not stranger to having trouble establishing a dialouge, getting answers to my questions and getting spec sheets with pacific rim manufactured solar equipment and batteries. It helps if the equipment can be purchased from a reputable provider who has an established location on the North American continent with technically savvy salespeople who can find answers to your technical questions. For what its worth, im pretty sure that Topband knows their stuff and knows how to build their products and they have been around about twenty years. The following link contains some different ways to communicate with them, (including live chat), not sure if they have good translators on staff give it a try? Good luck, be patient, have your model and serial numbers and purchase information available and keep your language and questions simple.
I did buy these batteries from a US company who later ran into what seems was a major dispute between owners, shady dealings and financial issues. The company exists under a different name and brand now with the one owner. Looking at the whole situation now, something is very wrong about my purchase and without a lawyer, seems I will get no where. I thought I was dealing with a reputable company at the time. No red flags when I researched them. Nothing but good reviews then all went to hell. I will try your link and see what happens. Thanks.
 
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