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Is this a bad joke? Signature Solar creating specs requirements to avoid defective inverter costs?

His job is to sell you what you came in for
Yes, but consider this - when you call into companies these days, many are quick to upsell you on more stuff they think you need...You no longer are getting JUST what you came in for. Other times, customers call asking for help figuring stuff out, and in that case, I do agree, the companies not setup to design systems should leave the customer alone and lead them here. Instead, they are leading you to a system using their components so they close the sale and make their comission.
I read the manual and find everything I need.
That's assuming the manual is thorough and complete and has the information you are looking for. While I do agree that sometime the manuals are overlooked before calling support, the questions we get on the phone often times are not covered well enough, and the customers calling in are seeking our wisdom/experience in a situation. Most of the manuals, even Victron, only give about 70-80% of the key information, and without that final 20%, you run into the DIYer's having issues. This is where the wisdom and experience of the technical support team or a seasoned electrician come into play. If their documentation was complete, then this would be a totally different conversation.

Right now even, there is a highly skilled and seasoned C-10 electrician in Georgia installing a 40kw Victron Quattro system and he has spent over an hour on the phone with me because he wants to make sure he gets it right the first time and there are special considerations these systems require.

Leave it to the manufacturer
This seems contradictory when EG4 and signature solar are effectively the same company. EG4 doesn't publish Voltronic as the manufacturer, nor will Voltronic provide support regardless.
 
but I don't think these Distributors should be expected to design systems for people
His job is to sell you what you came in for, not to tell you how to use it.

Really depends on what your expectations are and if the distributor is accurately portraying what they REALLY offer.

A lot of these newer distributors who are selling relatively cheap equipment are more interested in just making a sale and not dealing with true understanding of how all the pieces fit together. Northern Arizona Wind and Sun has been in business for decades and has very good tech support and will make sure all your stuff is working together. I've also seen a lot of effort from a few newer ones like @HighTechLab who genuinely works to provide accurate information AND online resources to help you figure it out yourself more easily (i.e. good manuals).
 
Yes, but consider this - when you call into companies these days, many are quick to upsell you on more stuff they think you need...You no longer are getting JUST what you came in for. Other times, customers call asking for help figuring stuff out, and in that case, I do agree, the companies not setup to design systems should leave the customer alone and lead them here. Instead, they are leading you to a system using their components so they close the sale and make their comission.

That's assuming the manual is thorough and complete and has the information you are looking for. While I do agree that sometime the manuals are overlooked before calling support, the questions we get on the phone often times are not covered well enough, and the customers calling in are seeking our wisdom/experience in a situation. Most of the manuals, even Victron, only give about 70-80% of the key information, and without that final 20%, you run into the DIYer's having issues. This is where the wisdom and experience of the technical support team or a seasoned electrician come into play. If their documentation was complete, then this would be a totally different conversation.

Right now even, there is a highly skilled and seasoned C-10 electrician in Georgia installing a 40kw Victron Quattro system and he has spent over an hour on the phone with me because he wants to make sure he gets it right the first time and there are special considerations these systems require.


This seems contradictory when EG4 and signature solar are effectively the same company. EG4 doesn't publish Voltronic as the manufacturer, nor will Voltronic provide support regardless.
They are produced by Voltronics for EG4. They produce these with their firmware and desired upgrades.

Again we’re all talking passed each other at this point. My point to even posting on the topic is, you get what you pay for, this is a DIYr forum for people that figure shit out and lean on each other for experience. @Will Prowse doesn’t want this community to devolve into b*#%hing about distributors generally with little to no technical data to back up their issues claims.

The point of this original post was to vent on why at 14kW generator isn’t working they way it was expected. Sounds like SS might have misunderstood the use case or the what was being asked, but in the end they aren’t guaranteeing that it’s could to work with all equipment out there and nor should they.

Your point about and Electrician needing to call home for verification just proves the point that this stuff isn’t simple in every situation. Most of it will work in like 95% of the time, but you have to try to design these to the 100% if you want it up near 100% of the time.
 
The point of this original post was to vent on why at 14kW generator isn’t working they way it was expected. Sounds like SS might have misunderstood the use case or the what was being asked, but in the end they aren’t guaranteeing that it’s could to work with all equipment out there and nor should they.
The problem is is if they don't know they should just say they don't know and not give the customer the impression that it will work. On top of that if you are a reputable distributor you will make it clear what your return policy is if it does not work. A lot of these issues with this particular distributor would have been a non-issue if they had a clearly communicated return policy and not try to force the user into thinking it is all their fault and you are stuck with it.
 
Really depends on what your expectations are and if the distributor is accurately portraying what they REALLY offer.

A lot of these newer distributors who are selling relatively cheap equipment are more interested in just making a sale and not dealing with true understanding of how all the pieces fit together. Northern Arizona Wind and Sun has been in business for decades and has very good tech support and will make sure all your stuff is working together. I've also seen a lot of effort from a few newer ones like @HighTechLab who genuinely works to provide accurate information AND online resources to help you figure it out yourself more easily (i.e. good manuals).
Don’t know why I feel like I’m defending SS…but again. These guys are posting YouTube and engaging with this community a lot to try to help. Don’t buy from them if you don’t like their role as a distributor. @Will Prowse has likely 10x’d their business with his videos on their batteries and they are likely experiencing growing pains due to our demand.

Get on here…talk about your issues…get help if you aren’t getting it from your MNF or Distributor. Save all the bashing for twitter or review sites
 
Yes, but consider this - when you call into companies these days, many are quick to upsell you on more stuff they think you need...You no longer are getting JUST what you came in for. Other times, customers call asking for help figuring stuff out, and in that case, I do agree, the companies not setup to design systems should leave the customer alone and lead them here. Instead, they are leading you to a system using their components so they close the sale and make their comission.
Self serving any? I just figured out you are Signature Solar's competition. Can't imagine why you might choose to jump in and not identify yourself that way when responding to my post. You aren't a customer. You are someone hoping to get my business. We haven't been introduced yet?
 
Self serving any? I just figured out you are Signature Solar's competition. Can't imagine why you might choose to jump in and not identify yourself that way when responding to my post. You aren't a customer. You are someone hoping to get my business. We haven't been introduced yet?
I though everyone knew that @HighTechLab was the SOK dealer. I think I even mentioned that a page or two back.
Anway he states he is the owner of Current Connected right under his Picture.
 
Anway he states he is the owner of Current Connected right under his Picture.
Uh huh...that did not happen until 2 hours ago. Before that it said "Small Business Owner".
Also while you are modifying profiles how about a business address closer than "Southern Nevada" on his official website? I could drive around all day long looking for his storefront.
Edit; and if I want Sol-Ark I'll buy it closer to home. Thanks.
 
Right now even, there is a highly skilled and seasoned C-10 electrician in Georgia installing a 40kw Victron Quattro system and he has spent over an hour on the phone with me because he wants to make sure he gets it right the first time and there are special considerations these systems require.
Here's the ridiculousness of this comment. It seems obvious you picked up the C-10 electrician speak from my earlier comment about C10 contractors. The "C" in C10 (properly C-10) stands for California. Georgia has no such designation. Maybe you are talking about a Class 1 or Class 2 Georgia licensed electrician?
 
Uh huh...that did not happen until 2 hours ago. Before that it said "Small Business Owner".
Also while you are modifying profiles how about a business address closer than "Southern Nevada" on his official website? I could drive around all day long looking for his storefront.
Edit; and if I want Sol-Ark I'll buy it closer to home. Thanks.
I did not notice until you mentioned it.
Dexter has been on the Forum long before he got involved in selling SOK batteries and he made a lot of posts about becoming a dealer and then later more and more posts involving SOK problems and setup. I assumed incorrectly that his status was a well known fact.

Anyway I found his posts to be spot on when it came to what kind of service a dealer should know and offer.
If they don't have competent technicians then stop pretending to offer any kind of service. If your not going to honor the Warranty then don't offer one. Just make it known on your website that all sales are final, no after sales support and no warranty. It's not like people do not buy lots of new stuff on eBay everyday with those same conditions right in front of them.
 
Here's the ridiculousness of this comment. It seems obvious you picked up the C-10 electrician speak from my earlier comment about C10 contractors. The "C" in C10 (properly C-10) stands for California. Georgia has no such designation. Maybe you are talking about a Class 1 or Class 2 Georgia licensed electrician?
I am not an electrician but can't a C10 electrician from California install a system in Georgia?
The only state I have heard up that has reciprocal licensing hangups is Texas. Am I wrong?
Lots of skilled labor has left CA in the last year or two and relocated to other States.
 
I did not notice until you mentioned it.
Dexter has been on the Forum long before he got involved in selling SOK batteries and he made a lot of posts about becoming a dealer and then later more and more posts involving SOK problems and setup. I assumed incorrectly that his status was a well known fact.

Anyway I found his posts to be spot on when it came to what kind of service a dealer should know and offer.
If they don't have competent technicians then stop pretending to offer any kind of service. If your not going to honor the Warranty then don't offer one. Just make it known on your website that all sales are final, no after sales support and no warranty. It's not like people do not buy lots of new stuff on eBay everyday with those same conditions right in front of them.
Well I find his comment to me and any other comment he makes in this thread to be serving his business and not me as the potential customer. Now anything he says going forward will be colored with my first impression. I also take your comments in support of him along with the comments of rhino to serve his business interests.
Oh yeah and him talking about the...?
highly skilled and seasoned C-10 electrician in Georgia
Yeah, no such critter. C-10 is the designation for a licensed electrical contractor in California. Georgia has Class 1 and Class 2 electrical contractors.

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I also take your comments in support of him along with the comments of rhino to serve his business interests.
Oh yeah and him talking about the...?
Doesn't mater to me. I have never bought anything from Current Connected but I do wish I had bought the SOK battery rather than the EG4LL. Unfortunately I pulled the Gun when Wills video on the EG4LL came out first.
Yeah, no such critter. C-10 is the designation for a licensed electrical contractor in California. Georgia has Class 1 and Class 2 electrical contractors.

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You still have not answered the Question. Can a C-10 from California work in Georgia?

This is what I am seeing:
Which States Have Reciprocity For Electrical Licenses? All states except Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin have some form of license reciprocity.19 Jul 2021
 
ou still have not answered the Question. Can a C-10 from California work in Georgia?

This is what I am seeing:
Which States Have Reciprocity For Electrical Licenses? All states except Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin have some form of license reciprocity.19 Jul 2021
California has reciprocal contractor license agreements with just three states: Arizona, Louisiana, and Nevada.
 
@Old_Skewler are you still interested in getting this working with what you have or are you just looking to return? We haven’t really solved your problem yet.

I think it would be helpful to draw out what you have connected so far and how you want this to work. Need to know what loads look like downstream. Sounds like you want to have the inverters to start the generator and then cut over to it based on SOC…then kick off at another SOC. Can you provide your generator model and how you’re wiring that to the dry contacts? What you’re settings are?
 
California has reciprocal contractor license agreements with just three states: Arizona, Louisiana, and Nevada.
That means to me under my interpretation that CA accepts contractor licenses from those states. And those 3 states accept a CA contractor license.

Reading the licensing in Georgia, it wouldn't take much for a C-10 from California to become a licensed electrician in GA. GA does not have a journeyman phase, as an apprentice you can work under a contractor without supervision.
 
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