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DaveDacus

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Will inspired me to go with the Tesla battery, but after using it he backtracked a bit. Yes, it's still cheaper, but not as much as he thought originally. Yes, he still likes it, but for a little bit more why not go with LiFePo, which he prefers for his main, permanent system. Another member here is saying it's hard to find an inverter that works really well with the Tesla. And that's my question: Is there no inverter that can be matched for the unique properties of the Tesla modules?
 
Steve here...and the one saying that...


Thats very fair to question and I totally understand you asking the question so I will let others respond and give direction ..especially those that have done it...as I have previously state, I haven’t played with those but I have has Chevy volt and Nissan Leaf batteries....Similar problems with inverter specs vs battery specs.

I am not telling others not to do do it. I am just saying understand it. A pack is considered fully discharged at a resting voltage of 3.0v or 18v for a 6s configuration.

Also understand that under heavey discharge load you may have some sag so you may find the inverter tripping or alarm going off when in fact the battery still has a fair amount of usable capacity left.

Check inverter specs for low voltage alarm and low voltage cut off.
It really is as simple as finding an inverter that can be set to cut off at 18v.

Also it’s not an issue of worrying about damage. You just are not going to have quite as much capacity as expected and worst case is you have to buy another module to obtain the hassle free system you were hoping for.
 
Tesla modules are dirt cheap. But you need to be careful. I started discouraging people from using them for solar when I saw some videos of them going up in flames. Absolutely won't happen if you set your charge profile parameters, but people from all experience levels watch my videos, and just the thought of a beginner setting the wrong numbers on a hard to program SCC and catching his whole house on fire made me fearful.

But they are great. I liked mine overall and you can make it work with a inverter that has programmable low voltage cut off.

LiFePO4 is better in the long run (charge cycle life wise). And peace of mind knowing that it cannot catch on fire is great. Especially when you are on vacation! Haha

And they make packs that power standard equipment:
7cell tesla
 
If the inverter does not have a programmable low voltage cut off (and the fixed cutoff is too low!), is there any reason an external cutoff (such as a Victron BatteryProtect) wouldn't be just as good?
 
That is basically what I used on my Chevy volt batteries...not for an inverter but for dc output...don’t know why it wouldn’t be similar.

I used a cheap Chinese over/under voltage monitor. That had a relay to cut out when setting were reached
 
On Will's updated Tesla battery parts list he includes a "Programmable battery monitor (manually program max and min voltage settings to estimate capacity)", which is the ISDT BattGo BG-8S Battery Meter. I thought the MPPT Victron controller is what enables me to set the charge parameters. Or is the battery monitor for cell balancing? Also, I plan on using no more than 15 amps coming from 3 parallel sets of series-paired 12v panels, so would the 100 amp Victron battery protect be okay instead of the 220 amp one?
 
Could you elaborate on that , I'm buggered if I can get those things to work properly.

This an updataed version of the one I used.


I believe this model is vat-1030
This particular model is only rated for 30A but has a built in relay. The models that are rated for higher such amps require a separate continuous use rated relay to be purchased and wired in.

Is this basically the model you are speaking of? I know they can be a bit flimsy tricky when it comes to the wire connections and a bit awkward or confusing as far as the interface and setup but once I learned it, it worked perfectly.

The relay Disconnects the connection if the parameters programmed into it are reached. You do need to reset it manually.
 
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I caught wind of this Tesla battery from your video, Will, on battery comparisons, and the low cost for what one seems to get was very attractive. My preference is, of course, is LiFePO4, Battleborn, for the long haul, or a DIY, as I found your videos intriguing and I had no idea one could do this nor how inexpensive the components had become. I have asked about marine use of the Tesla battery on a couple of threads, the marine solar being one, with no answer, and after searching the forums found this to be the best thread on the topic. I think not and will stick to the LiFePO4 because I can depend on them and the systems use industry-standard accessories found at almost any port of call I might sail into anywhere in the world. Kind of like a "Jimmy," the old Gray Marine, or as it is most often known as, the Detroit Deisel. Will, I checked out the 24v Tesla battery link for $700 but need two to get 48v and only have 220 ah, not enough and would need two packs, but then have more than I need.
On the other hand, for under 12k, I can have three banks of 4 12v 100ah Battleborn or comparable batteries with built-in trouble-free BMS. This gives me 300ah at 48v with 450 watts of solar, 450 in the wind, and my diesel running a generator if all else fails. It sounds like a lot until I consider that those batteries have a good chance of outlasting me given my age and health, even the 10-year warranty. That being said, there is Bee buzzing around in my mind trying to tell me that as soon as I spend all that money on those batteries, a new battery will hit the market, and LiFePO4 prices will drop like a bucket of sand, and I will have paid too much by not waiting. Anyone one else think about this when looking at $950 for a battery?
 
I'm too cheap to ever buy BB batteries.

When it comes time to buy, I'm 99% sure I will just roll the dice and get them directly out of china. For (10) 100 ah / 12v LiFePO4 they will be 293.50 each shipped.
 
Has BMS / 5 years.


$265 each + shipping.

Shipping to Miami port is $285 for up to 500 kg (30 batteries)
 
Has BMS / 5 years.


$265 each + shipping.

Shipping to Miami port is $285 for up to 500 kg (30 batteries)
Kewl! I'll have to add this one to my list of things I need but don't have the money for yet. Cool find, thanks.
 
Will, any chance of putting together a Tesla DIY blueprint? Alternatively do you consult on system design? I'm in the beginnings of a sprinter conversion. I plan on induction cook top, small tv/monitor, water pump, Espar and lights for all the typical consumers.
 
Tesla modules are dirt cheap. But you need to be careful. I started discouraging people from using them for solar when I saw some videos of them going up in flames. Absolutely won't happen if you set your charge profile parameters, but people from all experience levels watch my videos, and just the thought of a beginner setting the wrong numbers on a hard to program SCC and catching his whole house on fire made me fearful.

But they are great. I liked mine overall and you can make it work with a inverter that has programmable low voltage cut off.

LiFePO4 is better in the long run (charge cycle life wise). And peace of mind knowing that it cannot catch on fire is great. Especially when you are on vacation! Haha

And they make packs that power standard equipment:
7cell tesla
Has anyone used an magnum ms2812 with the Tesla battery?
 
I bought a Victron Battery Protect to use with my Tesla setup, and it's throwing the error code E-4 (overvoltage). But the battery is not overvoltage, and I have the battery protect connected only to the battery. I spoke with Victron and the amazon seller and they're adamant that their bp should not be used with Tesla module, nor with an inverter. It should be connected only straight to the load. Has anyone else run into this? Would it be alright to not use the battery protect, since the inverter has a low voltage shut off?
 
Dave I have Two Tesla 5.3kwatt modules in parallel installed in my RV for a 24 volts power system. I use a Victron Multiplus 24/3000 without issue. I use two Electrodacus SBMS0 as my fully automated BMS that is fully compatable with all Victron equipment to shut down over charging by the Multiplus using the temp sense and assistant and under voltage by the Multiplus using Aux and assistant. The SBMS0 will also shut down Victron BP65,100,220 for both under voltage, over charge, and low temp charging alarms.
Completely safe system. Just as safe as Will driving in his Tesla.
 
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