Could be, but the average person could not tell you how many watts an Array is capable of by looking at it. Now some enterprising building departments might spot a change to your building and send out an inspector. This happens to us rural folks with the property tax assessors that use Aerial comparison photography to catch new construction.
to cheat or not to cheat... that is the question
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MajicDiver
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I suggest avoiding making such broad statements. I also suggest taking with a grain of salt anything someone who does so says. Perhaps it’s possible some Growatt products are “rebranded voltronics” but that is absolutely not true for many - mine certainly are not. I suspect the statement is totally untrue and built totally on rumor and assumptions.
@Mattb4 I would like for you to state what Voltronic products my Growatt inverters and batteries are rebranded from?
Daddy Tanuki
Solar Wizard
ha ha ha ha ha so it might not be voltronic, but its somebodies! nobody had heard of gro watt until a couple of years ago... no company slowly climbing the ladder of sale sans success... so I would bet even money that they are rebranded gear... good bad or indifferent makes no matter...
MajicDiver
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Show me what it’s rebranded from then, I don’t think you can find anything like it.
Sorry if my statement was too broad. However don't take it personally that Growatt is not manufacturing all their own devices. Name your Growatt device and maybe someone can chase down the Chinese factory that produced it.
Edit: For instance they even use Voltronic in the description of this one in the screen capture below.
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BuffaloTrace
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Who makes your growatt?
CaliSunHarvester
Solar Enthusiast
They do keep track of consumption or export at least on hourly level. On their website, I can go back in time and see consumption/ export for any date / time in 1hr intervals .. not sure how many years back. Afaik, I have an old NEM contract. System is from 2004.
They have all the data, but seem not to act on it.
Like with the account that is unpaid for 5+ years.
Another account they dropped the gas connection from the bill. I noticed it months later. Not going to complain.
Ampster
Renewable Energy Hobbyist
Yes, that was my earlier point. They either do not use that data for exception reports or are too busy to make it a priority. It should be mentioned that with PG&E they have to toggle something in your meter or their accounting system for export to show up on those reports. I don't know enough about their internal management reporting to know what kind of exception reports are available or when they are available?
EDIT: I should mention that in one case I had an approved building permit and a completed application for interconnection but there was a delay of six months getting the PTO. I operated the system for that six months without any adverse action by PG&E. It is a risk management decision by other readers if they want to follow that example.
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MajicDiver
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Please read what is being discussed: the statement was made by @Mattb4 that all Growatt products are rebranded Voltronic products. My system is described in detail in my profile, I challenge anyone to find a Voltronic product anything like the Growatt inverters or batteries I am using, there is nothing anywhere near similar enough to meet any reasonable idea of a “rebranded” product. Rebranding means a different marketing name “brand” for an existing product- for example we all have seen very similar or virtually identical inverters sold under several different brands, my point is that if it is true of some Growatt products it certainly is not the case for the inverters and batteries I’m using - or if you think I’m wrong show me the other product out there it is a rebrand of.
MajicDiver
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Feel free to read my profile if you want to see what I have. Also, let’s keep this limited to your initial statement regarding rebranding as opposed to what factories the parts come from and where final assembly happens, absolutely nothing in our current world is turnkey manufactured under a single roof.
Daddy Tanuki
Solar Wizard
whatever... you need to grow a tad bit thicker skin
MajicDiver
Solar Enthusiast
Nothing whatsoever to do with skin thickness or hurt feelings- it has everything to do with trying to get people to not spread false and misleading information on a technical forum. Their is nothing whatsoever wrong or improper with challenging statements that do not appear to have any factual basis whatsoever.
Ampster
Renewable Energy Hobbyist
...and it is only temporary so not permit required?
Most inverter companies nowadays are rebranding to some extent. Keep in mind that Deye made Sol-Arks inverters for years, even as they were claiming they were US made. Heck, even Midnite Solar is having another company build their inverters.
That being said, "someone else made the inverter" is not necessarily a bad thing. If the company selling the product gets deep into the OEM's design cycle, either by auditing their process control, attending design reviews, demanding a specific test regime, requesting changes or actually providing marked up or new schematics (ideally all of the above) then the quality can be quite high, and at that point "rebranded" isn't a bad thing.
What are the hold-downs?
kind of... But I don't believe you need a permit to place some solar cells in your yard anyways, is not it?
ground anchors.. based on my calculations this setup can withstand any hurricane that could impact in my area.
robby
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LOL No! Well then I again I guess it depends on were you live and how powerful a Hurricane is by time it can reach you. Far enough inland and you will never get a Cat 4-5.
A direct hit from a Cat 5 and the only thing you will be able to find is the 6x6 on the grass and a bent over pipe.
MajicDiver
Solar Enthusiast
Keep in mind that “rebranding “ and “some other company makes part or all of it” is not the same thing. Rebranding means you can by virtually the same thing under a different brand. I still challenge anyone to identify a “rebranded” inverter anywhere close to the Growatt inverters and batteries I and others are using. What I’m using is described in some detail in my profile. This “sub thread” started when someone stated that all Growatt products are rebranded products voltronics - the inverters I’m using falsify that statement- I’d be happy if someone could show me one. Too many people make bold statements without the willingness to cite facts to back the statement up.
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