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Question about Supplementing a Small Solar Generator with a 12v/100ah LiFePO4

asot550

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Maybe a stupid question, but as long as the MPPT of the solar generator can handle input down to 12v it should be as simple as wiring up a 12v LiFePO4 with the appropriate connector and plugging it in to the solar generator, right? The MPPT should handle the power draw from the 12v battery and won't spike the amperage? Or, do you need something in line to limit the amperage drawn from the battery?

My use case is for camping trips and music festivals, so portability, size, and neat packaging is more important than performance. I already have a zooms 12v/100ah, a power supply to charge the zooms, and a 500W inverter, plus some odds and ends electrical tools. I was originally planning to build a variation of Will's milk crate system (but in a fan cooled toolbox so that it looks a bit more professional than having electronics out in the open). The problem is that putting all the pieces together results in a total package that's significantly larger than a pre-built. When I first decided I wanted to do this (1.5-2 years ago) the solar generator market was significantly different and more costly so it made a lot more financial sense to build your own. Nowadays the pre-builts are cheap enough that I'm re-thinking my plan but already have a good chunk of the components... If I were to start over I'd just buy a Bluetti EB150 for $800 and be done with it.

Anyone have any thoughts/suggestions?

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Assuming my plan works... I could combine an ecoflow river ($250) with the zooms ($320 late last year) for a total package ~1800 in^3, 38lbs, and $600 or so. Total capacity of ~1500Wh with 600W continuous/1200W peak. Pretty comparable to an EB150 but ~$200 cheaper. The DC input on the river maxes at 12A though, so a 12v battery would only provide ~140W or so after all the conversion losses (13V*12A=156W theoretical max). It'd be pretty easy to burn through your capacity powering something drawing 600W... probably only 30 minutes or so (700W draw after 85% efficiency, minus 140W of supply for 560W draw, eats up the 288Wh ecoflow battery in 30 minutes).
 
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hello!

cool idea.

most of the MPPT chargers that i have encountered can only convert voltage downwards into battery, that is, "solar panel" input voltage needs to be higher than the battery voltage.

for victron, they say input voltage must be +5 volts higher than battery voltage to begin charging
after beginning, it must be +1 volts higher than battery voltage to continue charging.

some MPPT can convert from lower input voltage up to battery voltage.

this factor may influence success

good luck!
 
If anyone finds this thread in the future...


I just got back from a music festival (Electric Forest) where I got to try my final setup out... I bought a refurbished ecoflow delta mini on walmart for $620, then paired that with the 1280wh zooms that I built into a standard battery box.

The custom battery box has a 50a switch/fuse, a shunt that I had from a previous battery, a 12v socket/cigarette port, a usb c/a port, and a surface mount xt60 port. I can use the xt60 for input or output depending on what I want to do.

The ecoflow was actually all I really needed for the whole weekend to run a 12v fridge, camp music (small pa and sub), charge everyone's devices, and for my fiance to use a straightener. I brought 2x100w of solar that were turned into a briefcase and attached to a car roof rack. The 880wh in the ecoflow lasted all night and charged up to 100% every day, even when we had one overcast day.

The whole system is decently modular depending on what I need. The custom I built can be used on its own to power a fridge and charge phones or what have you, or I can then bring a 500w inverter (plugged into the xt60) to run small a/c loads. If I need to run larger loads I can bring the custom+ecoflow and power up to 1400w a/c. The ecoflow can use the cigarette socket to charge at 100w from the custom, or I designed the xt60 plug to allow for 240w ecoflow charging with a 12v to 24v buck boost. There's ~2k wh between the two, if I know I'll need more than that I'll bring the solar briefcase too. When the ecoflow is at 100% I have a 20a CC/CV power supply that can run off the ecoflow inverter to charge up the custom.
 
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