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DIYrich said:
Any articles you can cite? Most local governments care about jobs. Crypto farms don't create many well paying jobs.
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www.energystar.gov

The Energy Cost of Cryptocurrency

www.energystar.gov www.energystar.gov

www.greencarreports.com

Bitcoin processing uses more power than Teslas do, for now

One criticism that doubters level at electric cars is that the electric grid may not have enough power to run them, at least in some places. While those concerns haven't materialized on any large scale, perhaps those critics should be more worried about Bitcoins. READ THIS: No, electric cars...
www.greencarreports.com www.greencarreports.com

www.theguardian.com

Why bitcoin entrepreneurs are flocking to rural Texas

Mining cryptocurrency requires lots of cheap energy and many miners have settled on Texas as their destination
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.texastribune.org

Cryptocurrency miners line up to come to Texas, and rural counties are welcoming them

Eager to bring new jobs to their towns and boost their tax base, rural Texas counties are courting companies that produce cryptocurrencies.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org
 
Will Prowse said:
If you look at the performance of a EV built from the ground up it is by far better than any hybrid or DIY EV. The center of gravity is ridiculously low. The charging system can handle way more current than a DIY system. And for the capacity it is a lot cheaper to buy one that is built by a factory. I know this because a lot of my friends in San Diego build EVs. And there is no comparison. You're better off buying a used model 3 then pretty much every option out there. The other options will cost you more money overall.
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This is probably true 99% of the time. But, what I need isn't currently available on the market. So, diy is my only option. (1-ton dually crew cab 4x4 work truck)
 
timselectric said:
This is probably true 99% of the time. But, what I need isn't currently available on the market. So, diy is my only option. (1-ton dually crew cab 4x4 work truck)
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How many hundreds of kwh are you planning for a pack to have any decent range towing / hauling?
I have an old Sonoma (S10) that I'd really like to convert, I'm sure it would be a blast to drive, but it just isn't feasible yet.
Now if I get a high DC voltage inverter and plug in when I get home....

Great thread with lots of great info.
 
42OhmsPA said:
How many hundreds of kwh are you planning for a pack to have any decent range towing / hauling?
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I plan to start with about 180kwh. My furthest customer is a 200 mile round trip. And I could charge there, if needed. For anything further, I am going to build a diesel pusher trailer. (With the drive train from the donor truck) I used to run that engine on used cooking oil, and used motor oil. 10 years ago it made an 1,800 mile round trip for $63.
 
We have almost a year under our belt with a 2022 Bolt EUV Premier. Here's my logical conclusion with EVs:

The "non-Tesla" charging infrastructure sucks! Unless you enjoy anxiety, don't try road tripping in anything but a Tesla.

If you cannot charge at home, consider a hybrid. We charge in our home garage. Our daughter is in an apartment and drives a Lexus hybrid. It just works better.

So much for politicians supporting "green"... the annual registration fee for the Bolt is 4x that of ICE. I guess arbitrarily making up for lost gas tax revenue is fair? I park my truck for a year... pay NO gas tax, $50 registration. I park the Bolt... but STILL pay the equivalent of 15k miles of gasoline tax!!
 
chateau_nomad said:
So much for politicians supporting "green"... the annual registration fee for the Bolt is 4x that of ICE. I guess arbitrarily making up for lost gas tax revenue is fair? I park my truck for a year... pay NO gas tax, $50 registration. I park the Bolt... but STILL pay the equivalent of 15k miles of gasoline tax!!
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I did not know that this was the case, I guess I'm keeping my Highlander for another 225,000 miles then.
 
chateau_nomad said:
So much for politicians supporting "green"... the annual registration fee for the Bolt is 4x that of ICE. I guess arbitrarily making up for lost gas tax revenue is fair? I park my truck for a year... pay NO gas tax, $50 registration. I park the Bolt... but STILL pay the equivalent of 15k miles of gasoline tax!!
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Thank you for mentioning that. I'll be checking on it before I buy an EV as well. That will impact whether the numbers make sense or not.
 
chateau_nomad said:
I park my truck for a year... pay NO gas tax, $50 registration. I park the Bolt... but STILL pay the equivalent of 15k miles of gasoline tax!!
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I park my k2500 truck for a year ... pay $300 registration to California.
Weight fee for pickups and vans but not SUV. Car/motorcycle registration $153 base rate.
All those assuming depreciated to $0 value; higher fees when first purchased.

If I buy something like a used Volt for $15,000, would pay $1500 sales tax & transfer fees, and 0.65% annual fee so about $100 (based on value) + $150 = $250 first year registration.

That's why, if it only costs me around $800 to fix a 20+ year old car, that's what I do. Top-end replacement for car was about that, also transmission overhaul.
 
Cali "can" be expensive for sure! So far Ohio has no personal property tax, and other taxes/fees aren't insane... yet. I guess my point was that the vehicle taxing/registration fee system is getting to be arbitrary... just pulling numbers out of thin air - at least in Ohio. As of now, highway repairs are funded by a USE tax which comes from a gasoline/diesel tax. The more fuel you buy, the more highway taxes you pay... which assumes you're driving more "destroying" the roads. Ohio (and many other states) saw the lost revenue and simply jacked up EV/hybrid registration fees as a stop-gap. That's analogous to "throwing the baby out with the bath water".

A more sane (and obviously more fair) method would be to charge annual registration fees either based on vehicle weight OR mileage... or ideally a blend of weight and mileage. Weight/miles driven is the formula for highway deterioration - as far as vehicle traffic. EVs (for now) are typically heavy vehicles, so would likely do more road damage - thus a higher registration fee... which is logical and fair.

Fuel taxes are obviously NOT a way forward for funding highways. Neither is arbitrary penalties for electric/hybrid vehicles.
 
Hedges said:
I park my k2500 truck for a year ... pay $300 registration to California.
Weight fee for pickups and vans but not SUV. Car/motorcycle registration $153 base rate.
All those assuming depreciated to $0 value; higher fees when first purchased.
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Also California:
2010 GMC 1500 pickup truck renewal: $353
2020 Chevrolet Bolt EV renewal: $611
 
I can't remember how much it is exactly but I think its $200 or $250 flat addon charge for an ev's tag in Alabama.

Some of my tags are $30 a year with my F250 truck being in the hundreds. My 3 bmw x5's vary by years with the oldest one being a 2001 and running about $35 a year to the newest one being in the $200's but thats the "ad valorem tax" aka property tax making up most of it.

So this breaks down to $200 for the highest ice vehicle probably jumping to $450 a year if it was an ev.

Might be fair to someone that actually goes some place but seeing as I gas up once every six months on the X5 now that ev is going to be kind of expensive to own for me.
 
Here's Oregon.

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The double asterisk leads here:

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OReGO is a usage based reporting and taxing program, and costs 1.9 cents per mile. At the 20k miles/yr I put on my boring transportation appliance, that would be $380/yr for the OReGO program. I'll just pay the higher registration fee.

A couple hundred bucks isn't enough of a difference to sway my EV/ICE choice either way, especially since registration lasts two years.

Wonder how long until OReGO is mandatory, not voluntary.
 
The more environmentally friendly you are, the more Oregon penalizes you.
A car that consumes less gas per mile pays less tax, but causes less wear on the road. They're trying to tax you by the mile, not by how much you cost them. I hope busses have much higher fees, since they carry dozens of people.

On the other hand, if you title a vehicle in Oregon that avoids sales tax, and after it has some number of miles and months on it you can import to California as your own property with no sales tax. (Don't ask me how I know) ?

Time for you to bling out your ride - with 24" wheels

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Will Prowse said:
And used model 3's are dropping in price. If you can't get a Tesla, just don't waste your time. I can complain for hours about the other EVs. Just not worth it.
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Ouch, that hurts! I just bought a new 23 Ford Mach e GTPE and now I read this from someone I respect. I did a lot of online research too and am aware of some of the downsides of this car but would like to hear if you had personal experience with this one or just the other Ford. I traded in a 2018 Mustang convertible that I loved but wanted to try an EV now that I'm getting all into solar energy.
 
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