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Terrible Signature Solar / EG4 18Kpv Experience - Returning and Replaced with Sol-Ark 15k

Once I have proof from watts happening utility that it was backfeeding, and the sol ark didn't, I'll start asking other 18K users if they are experiencing the same issue. I really don't want to use private messages in my videos. I need real evidence, pictures/videos of meter readings etc.
 
I take no joy in writing this, I sincerely wanted to love this new inverter and to support an active business on the forum, but I cannot sit silently and pretend this unit is "flawless" and anywhere near ready for the real world. I am not alone, I have received many messages from other members with their own struggles, we've all seen threads and it needs to be addressed.

After weeks of what I'd call nothing short of a circus, the new EG4 18Kpv is heading back to Signature Solar in a Sol-Ark 15k box and I'm asking Visa to step in and handle the refund. Very long and detailed story to follow, but the short version is this:

I took a chance on the latest and greatest from Signature Solar and I've been beyond disappointed every step of the way. The hardware fit and finish is great, I'd argue better than the Sol-Ark, but the software, support and attitude from specific members of their organization are utterly pathetic. In time I imagine they can fix things, but as of right now, I'd highly suggest considering another platform and company altogether. The software difference between the EG4 and Sol-Ark is like comparing a Nokia flip phone of the early 2000's to a modern day iPhone, they are worlds apart. With the EG4 you're asking it to do things and hoping for a positive outcome, with the Sol-Ark it's well documented, easy to follow and does exactly what you want 100% of the time. If you value your time and sanity, the decision is easy. I will however say the online monitoring and app for the EG4 18Kpv are great, very graphically attractive.

Remember, I'm just a guy on the internet, but I do hope you'll consider I have many years of experience working on dozens of systems with the leading manufacturers in the industry. I am not new to any of this, I am a licensed contractor and my work focuses in the IT and tech space. I am well aware that customers are often the source of problems with technical equipment like this, but in this instance, I can assure you that is not the case. Wrap your mind around this:

EVERY SINGLE ISSUE I HAD WAS IMMEDIATELY SOLVED WHEN THE UNIT WAS REPLACED BY A SOL-ARK 15K.

My entire goal was the following: Never under any circumstance backfeed the grid, period. The only other major sticking point I had was to peak shave from 3-9pm, then recharge battery bank after 10pm. These are not wild ideas, this isn't some lofty goal, this is exactly what the unit is advertised to do.

First problem: I get the unit installed and try to configure the app/wifi dongle and I'm met with an error, 4 days of no response from Signature Solar and it ends up being fixed by Gilbert from Luxpower. The dongle seemingly was never registered on their servers and needed back end work to begin functioning. There was nothing that could be done on the customer side. I was also given different Customer Codes for registration by different employees.

Once up and running, my sole support for a week was from Gilbert. They seem to have a quasi relationship with him helping diagnose customer issues, but not really working for them. He was always great and very helpful, but clearly had his limitations. Not that he was unqualified in any way, but there was only so much he could actually do with the inverter, everything was always a compromise and lots of, "it's not perfect, this is just how it works". For example, he got the 3-9pm peak shaving semi-functional right off the bat, except it would always pull roughly 10% of it's output power from the grid and the switchover time would (in his own words) happen + or - 8 minutes from the time it was programmed. How a computer decides to drift I do not know, but he didn't have any explanation.

After days of attempted fixes and me speaking to multiple Signature Solar employees, I noticed each person didn't really understand how to make it work. Not because they weren't smart, but because they truly didn't know, nor share any continuity of answers. One employee would tell me solution A would work, then another would be completely contradictory and say solution B would work, neither of which solved the problem. It legitimately was a guess and check situation, and more than once lead to the inverter back feeding the grid.

Second problem: I was never able to install or connect solar panels to the system because my inspector basically laughed at me when he asked about a remote rapid shutdown device. I had the 18Kpv installed in my garage and both CAT6 and 14/2 from the unit to the main service panel for a remote disconnect switch. After asking no less than (4) times both via direct message and email, I never once received a response. I've seen it addressed in other threads as, "we have a white paper coming soon". I've even seen other members posting how they've temporarily rigged up a solution. The manual CLEARLY states this can be done, but has absolutely no direction as to how to do it. There is no pinout, no clue, other than a crude drawing in the manual (there's nowhere to connect said switch, those two spots on the board don't exist). My inspector had serious doubts to say the least, and made it clear that no panels should be connected to the system until a remote rapid shutdown switch could be installed and tested. During this time I'm receiving messages from other forum members that are having differing forms of issues and some expressing how they feel lucky they got their unit at a "substantial discount", which really just twists the knife!
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At this point I reached out to Markus from Signature solar via the forums and expressed the situation, his initial messages were very reasonable:
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He then goes on to offer a full refund, and I express I want to see it work and am willing to help however I can (trust me, I had ZERO desire to take the thing back down, buy another inverter, hang it, redo an expensive wire way, rewire everything, ship the old one back etc.). I was financially invested and hoped for positive results:

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At that point I went camping for the weekend, here's where we picked up. The old firmware he is referring to is the firmware that Gilbert had installed and stated was what helped eliminate grid backfeed (my number one concern).

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The next morning I receive an email from Ty at Signature Solar. He's apparently been tasked with handling this situation.


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So I naturally responded with as much detail as I could, stressing the need to not backfeed the grid, at this point I'm trying to remain hopeful, maybe this person fixes everything and I become a happy customer.

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The next messages to Markus show how well that went. It was becoming a disaster quickly.



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Did you ask Markus for permission to share these private messages in a public forum? @Watts Happening
 
Did you ask Markus for permission to share these private messages in a public forum? @Watts Happening
Perhaps it is just me but I do not see the messages back and forth concerning a possible product defect and company response to it as being personal private messages that would enjoy privileged status. I do see them as being something that may not concern others up until satisfactory resolution is not obtained and thus a subject matter of PM rather than general Forum.

PM Individual communication that is between two Forum members should have an expectation of privacy. Though it is not wise to think that anything you post on the 'net is truly private.
 
I certainly think one has the right to privacy even in private messages via this forum or email, that's why I said I thought it was poor form originally.
I think this only applies if it is between two LIKE individuals. Markus/James are not communicating with customers as general members of the public. They are communicating with us as representatives of their business, as such, privacy is not to be expected. If they wanted privacy, there are ways businesses can arrange for that. The opposite does not apply though, a business should not air communications between the customer and the business. Only the customer can make such decisions.

I see it as a courtesy on @Watts Happening 's part that he even engaged in the conversation privately to begin with. I think you should all be happy that Watts Happening shared the messages, it really helps expose how SS treats people behind closed doors. Imagine the stuff we aren't seeing.. look how they publicly conduct themselves.. now imagine if they think nobody is looking.
 
Did you ask Markus for permission to share these private messages in a public forum? @Watts Happening
Negative, and I think it would have been a ridiculous thing to ask him. "hey, you're totally cool with me sharing all this nonsense you wrote me with everyone, right?" - Then he OBVIOUSLY says no, and what, now I'm silenced and tell everyone, "I swear, he said things similar to this (but not actually write what he said because that would effectively be the same thing)".

I went well above and beyond what I feel was required of me as a customer, I gave him many chances to fix the issues I was having. At that point he started telling me I was asking for "things that don't even exist" and accusing me of just wanting a discount, but then the "actual engineer that designed the inverter" was going to program it. When that went south, I felt I had no choice.

The public deserves to know, thus I shared it. Whether "right or wrong" in the court of public opinion, I stand firmly behind what I did. His messages equated to emails, this was standard communication and nothing with any form of private information was shared. I'd have happily had the same conversation in a forum post.
 
Once I have proof from watts happening utility that it was backfeeding, and the sol ark didn't, I'll start asking other 18K users if they are experiencing the same issue. I really don't want to use private messages in my videos. I need real evidence, pictures/videos of meter readings etc.
We've covered the back feeding of the 18k, I don't think there are any further questions on that side, correct?

Attached is data from the Sol-Ark, no backfeed recorded, I've also connected a meter and had zero appreciable backfeed, I've tried surges and things like that and I can barely get my meter to register at all.
 

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Any chance of the one showing the backfeed it was doing?

I wanted to show a friend what happened to you.
 
Any chance of the one showing the backfeed it was doing?

I wanted to show a friend what happened to you.
The hard part there is in the science of "proving". It began back feeding and fortunately it wasn't a "lot", and the power was essentially absorbed before the next reading. My meter reads every 15 minutes, thus as long as I'm drawing more than the backfeed over that time it won't be "read" by the meter. Here is a screenshot of backfeed happening, which is reflected even by their logs.
 

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Log from the same time in the inverter
 

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Log from the same time in the inverter
Yeah that's about the same amount of power that mine was back feeding to the grid with possibly the same or similar firmware. It is not a lot and maybe most power companies wouldn't notice it but nevertheless you didn't like it and I don't like it. That's why signature solar continue to work on trying to get this fixed.
I think it's just the way you went about things that rubbed a few people's noses the wrong way and apparently gave the anti-signature solar fanboys some toys to play with too.
 
Yeah that's about the same amount of power that mine was back feeding to the grid with possibly the same or similar firmware. It is not a lot and maybe most power companies wouldn't notice it but nevertheless you didn't like it and I don't like it. That's why signature solar continue to work on trying to get this fixed.
I think it's just the way you went about things that rubbed a few people's noses the wrong way and apparently gave the anti-signature solar fanboys some toys to play with too.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I used their own communication as the supporting evidence of the claims I was making.

In my eyes, making unsubstantiated claims would have been even worse. If you're going to say a business did XYZ, go ahead and support that claim.
 
You want any future correspondence with SS with any member about problems always posted publicly then?

I'm sure many can make that happen but it probably wouldn't put SS in a good light.

Tread lightly.
Considering how I respond to people on here in private messages, I would be pissed if someone shared them without my permission ? my messages are a million times worse than Markus. Just scares me that someone would post messages without the other person's permission.
 
Considering how I respond to people on here in private messages, I would be pissed if someone shared them without my permission ? my messages are a million times worse than Markus. Just scares me that someone would post messages without the other person's permission.
Person to person or if someone has been naughty, I could see.

A customer to business that the customer shares is quite another matter. A financial transaction has taken place, the customer does have the right to relate the experience.
 
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