justinm001
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Please break it down. I did above and can account for 850. Where's the rest.Nope, thousands
Please break it down. I did above and can account for 850. Where's the rest.Nope, thousands
You stated you can buy a 25’ pole for $800 and thus the utility should be able to install it for $850? That ludicrous.Please break it down. I did above and can account for 850. Where's the rest.
I said wood poles are 500 and 850 installed, and that's retail for a pole at a store where they wouldn't need to store or maintain.You stated you can buy a 25’ pole for $800 and thus the utility should be able to install it for $850? That ludicrous.
1. The have to buy the pole, store the pole (and maintain a place to store it) protect the pole from theft and damage.
2. Someone has to plan the job and deal with the notifications that must occur. Someone has to load and transport the pole, remove power and fiber and other stuff from the pole and put back, deal with pole support and difficult access to the install location, which may need planning.
3. It has to be scheduled with multiple different labor and craftsmen of differing skills, crews have to arrive at work, conduct required prejob briefs and travel to site and do that again in many cases.
4. A wood pole must be maintained throughout its life. An example being that periodically it’s frequently necessary to place preservation patches at the ground line area to deal with and prevent rot, and it’s a battle to stay ahead of the epa repeatedly banning those products as they become available.
5. In the utility environment it is typical that for a person you see actually working there are a minimum of 2/3 somewhere who are incapable of doing the work but for one reason or another are required to be retained as employees- they must be made to both feel like and appear to be doing something of value, otherwise there will be endless litigation, which occurs anyway a lot, but you have to try.
It goes on and on and on
I have a solution.Please break it down. I did above and can account for 850. Where's the rest.
There's tons of companies that do this. The electric company makes the killingI have a solution.
You get the equipment, and charge 850 for poles.
You will make a killing...
So buy their stock then…..There's tons of companies that do this. The electric company makes the killing
I think you're missing it. A lot of time the electric company subs out work so they only need to pay say 700 or 800 instead of using their guys that are 850-900. I'm also sure there's storm chaser emergency guys that are a grand or so.So buy their stock then…..
We can dream...It's not like people can take over utilities in a city.
Let's see, a $500,000 boom truck, factor in depretiation over 5 years, maintenance of the vehicle, training and certifications, insurance on the hazardous job, workmans comp, ppe annually, high voltage insulator shields for the conductors, all the various tools for the horizontals, and transformer mounts, idk, what else...There's tons of companies that do this. The electric company makes the killing
I estimated 3k/mo for the truck which is 250k over 7 years. Idk the cost of a full electric bucket truck but used costs for a similar truck for tree companies. Spread out over 40hr week is only $16/hr. Even a 500k truck would only be $30/hr.Let's see, a $500,000 boom truck, factor in depretiation over 5 years, maintenance of the vehicle, training and certifications, insurance on the hazardous job, workmans comp, ppe annually, high voltage insulator shields for the conductors, all the various tools for the horizontals, and transformer mounts, idk, what else...
Sure... $50 over cost of the pole sounds fair.
The complete stupidity of the general public for the costs of doing a simple project is astounding.
I am a basic HVAC/electrical contractor.
My daily expenses before i turn a single dollar is around 1700 a day...
I cannot IMAGINE what a power pole company daily $is... it is one HELLUVA lot more than $1700 i can assure you.
I cannot IMAGINE what a power pole company daily $is... it is one HELLUVA lot more than $1700 i can assure you.
Crazy, i see wood poles all over charlotte holding transformers supplying zeveral houses... average 200A panel is what, 48Kva? If supplying a dozen houses, them pole cans gotta be capable of 100kVA... no?PG&E gave me an estimate of $150k to hang a 3-phase 50kVA transformer and run wires 200' to their 12kV lines two poles way.
They said it was a 2-day job for two trucks/crews including $25k per day per truck.
The guy who came to do "cut and swing" from old split-phase service entrance to new said the wood poles couldn't hold the weight of such a transformer, 1500# I think he said. I would have expected 600# based on the pad mount ones I've bought.
Not correct, in general the utility hires contractors to do the work of the utility’s own employees who have learned they don’t have to work to get paid, as I discussed earlier in this thread. I’ve played on both sides,A lot of time the electric company subs out work so they only need to pay say 700 or 800 instead of using their guys that are 850-900.
I'm super interested in seeing invoices of these electrical contractors and their rates. I'm gonna text my mayor and have him send me invoices of anything similar.Not correct, in general the utility hires contractors to do the work of the utility’s own employees who have learned they don’t have to work to get paid, as I discussed earlier in this thread. I’ve played on both sides,
Crazy, i see wood poles all over charlotte holding transformers supplying zeveral houses... average 200A panel is what, 48Kva? If supplying a dozen houses, them pole cans gotta be capable of 100kVA... no?