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To bad you weren't closer, I'd take the old XW6048 off your hands.
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The XW6048 was actually originally branded "Xantrex". In fact the Schneider SCP that was in use up until very recently (And actually is still available here and there, for instance we still have about 100 in stock yet.
) was originally Xantrex branded as well.Here are pictures showing the "evolution" of the XW inverters.
Rock solid units, that's for sure! I have seen the XW+ 6848s hold ~7.2kW load for like a half hour or so and just keep running with it!
Brucey
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So the scp is no longer usable due to firmware updates and now one of the two insight units is required?The XW6048 was actually originally branded "Xantrex". In fact the Schneider SCP that was in use up until very recently (And actually is still available here and there, for instance we still have about 100 in stock yet.
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Rock solid units, that's for sure! I have seen the XW+ 6848s hold ~7.2kW load for like a half hour or so and just keep running with it!
The xw pro is also a 6kw unit at 40c. They changed the rating to 25c to get the 6.8kw. otherwise it's the same exact 6kw at 40c like the older versionsThe XW6048 was actually originally branded "Xantrex". In fact the Schneider SCP that was in use up until very recently (And actually is still available here and there, for instance we still have about 100 in stock yet.
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Rock solid units, that's for sure! I have seen the XW+ 6848s hold ~7.2kW load for like a half hour or so and just keep running with it!
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I have a SW-4048 with SCP that works fine but “The One” might tempt me to upgrade.
Or I could go all blue to match my existing MPPT’s.
Doing nothing would be smart but I rarely do the smart thing
.littleharbor2
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Maybe one of the Gudgel brothers will comment here. I looked up the documentation on that inverter and it seems to have been published in 2012. Pretty sure they were done building Outback and onto Midnite Solar by then.The XW6048 was actually originally branded "Xantrex". In fact the Schneider SCP that was in use up until very recently (And actually is still available here and there, for instance we still have about 100 in stock yet.
Here are pictures showing the "evolution" of the XW inverters.
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Rock solid units, that's for sure! I have seen the XW+ 6848s hold ~7.2kW load for like a half hour or so and just keep running with it!
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SCP still works. Even with the latest XW Pro. However, it had (has?) been discontinued. My understanding is that there is still a xantrex scp available for their "mobile" series of inverters..?? And it supposedly works with the white schneider inverters. But it is black.
We had gotten a few hundred of the white ones before they went out of production. Lol. Kinda horded them because we still use a lot of the SW4048 and SW4024 inverters.
New is always more fun!I have a SW-4048 with SCP that works fine but “The One” might tempt me to upgrade.
Or I could go all blue to match my existing MPPT’s.
Doing nothing would be smart but I rarely do the smart thing
I'm eyeing The One as well!Yep! I guess they figured why change something that's not broke and works great!
Yes, I'm thinking you are correct. I believe Robin and boB were involved on the old, original Xantrex SW series. And I assume the Schneider SW series today is still based off of some of that original design, though I'm not 100% sure on that.
@SpongeboB Sinewave or @Robin Gudgel where was Xantrex at when you guys left? Am I thinking right that you guys were there when the SW happened? (Sorry Robin, I'm sure you mentioned it when I listened to you talk about that history, but I can't remember. To many other fun facts! Lol)
KevinC_63559
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Pretty cool overview
I’m sold on it
Edit: that video also shows the new Schneider home 7.7kw HV inverter, 10kw battery, and split bus load center as well. Pretty neat
Midnites batteries are also UL9540, both 5kwh rack style and 15kwh wall mount with internal heater
Ah ha! 600V is what it tolerates, but only runs from 70-550V. So rather than call it 550V with HyperVOC, they just call it 600V. Still cool.
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So, HyperVoc was just a gimmick name for the difference between the top of the usable range and the VOC?
The same thing that every MPPT on the market has.
The same thing that every MPPT on the market has.
SpongeboB Sinewave
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Ryan said that the MPPT range is up to 550V but turns on as high as 599V. That means it can run in Absorb and Float charging modes at just below 600V... Depending on the output current requirements in those voltage controlled modes, it could be running at around 580V or 590V or so.
599V would be Voc. Remember that Vmp can be around 80% of Voc. 599 * 0.8 = 480V which is way lower than 550V. HyperVoc doesn't really apply for this unit. HyperVoc at 599V would be higher than 600V.
So it really does start up just below 600V. But MPPT voltage is never quite near that voltage. Only Absorb or Float or EQ maybe in cold weather.
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Brucey
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No it was above the Voc.
SpongeboB Sinewave
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No. HyperVoc is actually the input voltage that the Classic will tolerate (not operate) at ABOVE its rated operating input range.
For example, the Classic 150, which runs and starts up at 150V and below can tolerate (but not turn on) at the nominal battery voltage PLUS 150V.
If you had a 48V nominal battery voltage then the Classic 150 would guarantee to not break at 150 + 48 = 198 V.
If 12V battery then HyperVoc max is 150 + 12 = 162V maximum. These can happen in cold climates where the design of the system is marginal.
No other MPPT charge controller does this AFAIK and I do not think that the ONE has it either ?
Yes, it is a marketing feature. I suppose you could call it a gimmick. I remember in my TV fixing days there was usually, in an old tube TV schematic, a component called a gimmick. I think it was two wires twisted together to create a small capacitance. Now I can't even find that in a Google search.
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littleharbor2
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Here is an explanation of Hyper VOC.
| : Classic MNGP (display screen) says "HYPER VOC" -Why? |
| A: First, what is Hyper VOC?Hyper VOC refers to the non-operative VOC safety zone over and above the maximum input voltage.Your classic charge controller has this safety feature (shut off) to prevent damage to your system. This indicates that the input voltage has exceeded the operational voltage of the Classic. If this is happening now and then on rare occasions when it is really cold, then it is normal. If this is happening all the time this indicates the PV array was wired for too high a voltage. Contact your solar installer. Prevention is key to this, please also feel free to use our String sizing tool on our website to help calculate this in your system!Notes - see below for our classic charge controllers range of on operational Hyper VOC rangesat 12Volt battery bankCLASSIC 250 over voltage is at 262VoltsCLASSIC 200 over voltage is at 212VoltsCLASSIC 150 over voltage is at 162Voltsat 24Volt battery bankCLASSIC 250 over voltage at 274VoltsCLASSIC 200 over voltage at 224VoltsCLASSIC 150 over voltage at 174Voltsat 48Volt battery bankCLASSIC 250 over voltage at 298VoltsCLASSIC 200 over voltage at 248VoltsCLASSIC 150 over voltage at 198Volts |
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Brucey
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I don't consider it a gimmick if it stops the magic smoke from escaping.
littleharbor2
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Call it a gimmick if you must (not you boB) but any other brand CC will release the smoke when you exceed the VOC. Hyper VOC is a buffer zone that protects your CC
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Sounds like they just listed the VOC as lower than it actually was.
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I remember a time when all products were built better than the listed claims.
That seems like such a long time ago, now.
That seems like such a long time ago, now.
zanydroid
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Was the listed VOC competitive with other brands’ SCC? If so then the SCC is still superior. If not then I dunno.
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No idea.
Mahendra Gomanie
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These days most brands NOT All barely meet listed specs only in ideal conditions.
Conditions are never ideal in the real word!
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