How many of those "vehicle buyers" are the .gov, or other "fleet"? We sure as hell know the rental companies are doing their best to unload them as people don't want to rent them. And oddly enough people don't want to buy used EV's as well, wonder why that is?
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Facts? And then you talk the peoples republik of kalifornia, you don't think that is an even playing field do you. Punished for buying gas, rewarded for buying electric, and that reward comes from your tax $$$$ and the system is working so well, just look at the budget surplus in CA.....wait oh nevermind.
You think you are non-reliant on oil? Man that is as funny as hell.
Also why do you hate the children?
Get a more powerful ICE vehicle?
My inline turbo 6 can toast most EV's from standstill. (and nearly all of them after 5-6 seconds). 3 minute "recharge" and not having to wear a coat inside during winter is extra
About the only thing an EV has going for it is the power. Leave it outside for a week in 20F weather not plugged in, and let me know how that works on your EV. I know my gas car will start right up, and go just as far as is should.
fromport
Solar Addict
The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) has a program called the Electric Vehicle (EV) Fleet Modernization Initiative, which aims to help federal agencies transition their vehicle fleets to electric vehicles. According to the DOE’s website, the initiative has helped federal agencies purchase over 10,000 EVs since its inception.
The Federal Fleet Management (FFM) program, managed by the General Services Administration (GSA), provides guidance and resources to federal agencies on fleet management, including the acquisition and use of electric vehicles. According to the FFM website, the federal government has purchased over 20,000 EVs since 2010.
The U.S. Postal Service (USPS) has been transitioning its fleet to electric vehicles, with a goal of having 10,000 electric vehicles on the road by 2025. As of 2022, USPS had already deployed over 7,000 electric vehicles.
Ampster
Renewable Energy Hobbyist
Thankfully there is an ignore button, so I don't have to see the rants by fpgt72.
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We can push a button and ignore the government? I want one!
And then they complain about rolling blackouts. You cant make this up if you tried lol.
The noise itself I don't mind so much. I'd almost certainly turn it off, unless it was a louder version of the noises the car makes on it's own. I was the kid that put a playing card in their bicycle spokes, and I have Flowmasters on my big block powered pickup truck. I'm not averse to a vehicle sounding like it's owner likes.
Where they lose me is when performance is sacrificed to mimic ICE characteristics, the same way some CVTs have fake shift points.
Luckily it can be turned off.
My Leaf has a speaker somewhere that makes "electric motor" noises I think. If there was an easy/free way to disable it, I would. The backup beeper would be annoying if I didn't work from home. Then again, my neighbors put up with my modified and custom tuned Nissan Titan for years, so the backup beeper is probably a happy trade off for them.
I don't have a problem with this. Most postal trucks have a defined route and a home base. Lower maintenance, lower cost to fuel it, what's not to like? Of course, we're talking the government so they'll come up with any number of ways to screw it up.
Thank you for proving that the normal everyday citizen wants nothing to do with them.
Ampster
Renewable Energy Hobbyist
I agree. Fixed route applications are the ideal scenario for conversion to electric. Especially since they can charge when not on the route. The current fleet of postal delivery vehicles has to be twenty years or more older.
There’s a whole thread that you are responding to of ev owners and perspective buyers telling you exactly the opposite
I agree, EV and hybrid makes PERFECT sense in this application. It's almost entirely stop and go.
The Grumman LLV(classic boxy small mail truck) gets horrible MPG, well under 20. Built based on early '80's technology, and some are still running 2.5l TBI engines. A down side of the "long life vehicle" part is that when you run a vehicle for 30+ years, you also miss out on 30+ years of improvements.
I have nothing against EVs (or any other stupid idea) as long as none of this stuff is subsidized with taxpayer money or forced upon us with govt mandates that cost taxpayer money.
Let these things stand on their own in the free market. If enough people want to spend their earned money on this, so be it (But reality shows that most stupid (or technologically unfeasible) ideas always end up in the dustbin of history without govt subsidy.
The other thing that always make me chuckle is amount of ignorance among (many, not all) EV owners. Some of them really believe they are saving the environment, LOL. And some really believe electricity (And batteries) come from Unicorn farts.
The truth is, with current battery technology, power generation and grid, EVs are a niche market for the rich, at best.
Ampster
Renewable Energy Hobbyist
I am not one of those that believes I am saving the environment. I grew up in LA in the fiftties when on smoggy days my eyes stung and my lungs hurt when I excercized so I am thankful for the emission standards that cleaned up the air in California. I have driven over 200,000 miles in my EVs since 2012 and the economic benefits are more than enough to justify the expense for me. I do enjoy the tax benefit but did not always get a tax credit but purchased or leased anyway.
EDIT: As subsequently mentioned, the oil industry and agriculture get big subsidies.
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Ampster
Renewable Energy Hobbyist
I routinely ignore various levels of government. This is still a free country with a lot more liberties than many other countries I have visited. I am thankful for that.
