Hedges
I See Electromagnetic Fields!
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Right now it would be the 18kpv, as the midnite has not been put through it's paces
Ahh, but I consider EG4 to be a known quantity. And Midnight also.
Right now it would be the 18kpv, as the midnite has not been put through it's paces
Correct. Which is why I would buy it over the Chinese solark and Chinese 18kpv, but for 1/3 to 1/2 the price I may just continue with the unapologetically Chinese unitsEh, this is also a Chinese 10k inverter. Let's not get it wrong.
Exactly, and far from the cheapest. It looks cool, but is it really that much better than other stuff coming out?Eh, this is also a Chinese 10k inverter. Let's not get it wrong.
I'm pretty confident that they haven't just rebadged a lux power 12k like eg4 has or sol-ark with Deyes, but perhaps Robin or Bob may pipe in?There is managing the ECM, ODM, or whatever.
Then there is circuit design, also PCB design.
And software.
What parts did Midnight do?
I think SolArk has their own software. Don't know how much of the circuit design and component selection.
Software/firmware is definitely a part of the hardware reliability. But I'd be most interested in how much of the electronic hardware design was by Midnight.
It's ok to be excited but it seems we've crowned it king even though it's yet to be used by anyoneExactly, and far from the cheapest. It looks cool, but is it really that much better than other stuff coming out?
This does not translate to critical non engineering stuff like supporting customers in dealing with AHJs and putting the pain on a Chinese partner if things go southI think there is an objective difference in Bob, Robin, and crew in knowledge, know how, background, and expertise than any other solar inverter relabeler.
I’m sure their trips to the factory in China helped develop a positive relationship to resolve issues. It also seems that nearly everything they produce is designed to work with various compliance requirementsThis does not translate to critical non engineering stuff like supporting customers in dealing with AHJs and putting the pain on a Chinese partner if things go south
No but they have produced more modern (post 1741SA grid tie equipment than MidNite has), and they at least have things like CEC basic approval (not sufficient for my POCO lol) and export limiter paperwork.It also seems that nearly everything they produce is designed to work with various compliance requirements
Does sending out batteries with missing UL labels help customers deal with AHJs?
The only pain experienced seems to be eg4 owners saddled with defective 6000ex and 6500ex units. Discounted trade in of warranty/units against another generation of aios notwithstanding.This does not translate to critical non engineering stuff like supporting customers in dealing with AHJs and putting the pain on a Chinese partner if things go south
Ironically EG4 has a ton of experience in the latter
Those are all fair pointsNo but they have produced more modern (post 1741SA grid tie equipment than MidNite has), and they at least have things like CEC basic approval (not sufficient for my POCO lol) and export limiter paperwork.
Rosie is not such a unit. It is intended for more special cases like off grid and mobile
MidNite has to grind up the half dozen or so special paperwork’s and extra certs. Vs the 2 EG4 accomplished in the past 6 months.
If I were a customer in a location where export limiter and 9540+1741SA was the regulatory bar, I can mostly safely conclude that 18kpv is installable (since there are a few end to end success stories on the forum)
You would have to wait likely 6 months after The One is released to get to the same level of empirical evidence.
They would still have to be smart at prioritizing which additional layers of certs are needed, or know the right place to outsource it to to get it all slammed out in a short frame of time. It’s probably not rocket science but somehow EG4 took a long time to finally get one that worked.Presumably Midnite will be putting more work into the certification end of things, given they mentioned they are seeking ul9540 approval in conjunction with their yet to be released 5 and 15kwh batteries with comms.
The only pain experienced seems to be eg4 owners saddled with defective 6000ex and 6500ex units. Discounted trade in of warranty/units against another generation of aios notwithstanding.
It is currently being used (beta versions) by a few/some people. For instance @HighTechLab would be one of the "lucky" ones. I know of another local dealer that has a unit as well, where I know the guys very well personally. Just yesterday I saw their unit again and I asked if they have gotten around to using it and/or how it's working. The response was a bit boring to be honest. "It just works".It's ok to be excited but it seems we've crowned it king even though it's yet to be used by anyone
I think the guys at Midnite probably have a better understanding of the requirements that the NEC calls for than any of the other inverter companies out there. They have been in the industry pretty much from the start. They have seen all the regulations come into place over the years.This does not translate to critical non engineering stuff like supporting customers in dealing with AHJs.....
I know for a fact that sell related functions were/have been/are?? being tested out and firmware being updated to iron out bugs. I personally would expect The One to be working quite well out of the box once it hits the market.You would have to wait likely 6 months after The One is released to get to the same level of empirical evidence.
Questionable parts, reliability, and service, but many MidNite clones in the future.You would be amazed how many Chinese companies have contacted me about this inverter asking if we could get them information on which factory is manufacturing it! I find it comical that they are coming to me...that's a good indicator in my book.