As long as sufficient heat difference exists.A Sterling engine driving a Sterling Heat Pump requires no external source of electrical/mechanical energy.
As long as sufficient heat difference exists.A Sterling engine driving a Sterling Heat Pump requires no external source of electrical/mechanical energy.
That's very true.As long as sufficient heat difference exists.
You didn't give an approximate location. You will want to do a heat load calculation and that will give you an idea of what your savings are. What is the plan for rain/cloudy and overnight?Our biggest electric cost is heating. Our use of electric outside of heating is about 250-300kWh/mo, so not big power users. I was looking for a more efficient way of heating our home. We have 'smart' wall panel heaters - 3x 2400W and 2x 1200W - so running them uses a lot of electric.
I thought that a solar battery is something that is efficient, cheap to implement, safe and robust.
My roughed-out design is:
60L steel drum with sand and one or more 2400W 220V spiral stove element pulled into a cone, buried in the sand, fed direct DC from 2x 350W solar panels (
The 60L drum sits inside a 220L (44 Gallon) drum filled with small river rocks (because I have an unlimited supply) which act as a heat sink, suspend the 60L drum and allow air to flow through from a 12V variable-speed 4" bilge/ventilation inline fan (as used in boats) which is ducted into my lounge. We have a wooden/brick house sitting up on pilings with a decent amount of space underneath to house it all and a short run directly up into the lounge. The lounge faces North, so mounting the panels to the wall right outside is perfect both for connectivity and solar direction.
The reason for the above:
- 60L steel drum and sand - because it's ridiculously cheap. A recycled 60L drum is $10 where I live and river sand is free for the taking down at the river bank.
- The stove element - rather than a tank element, heating wire, etc. is that they're designed to heat to over 750C in air. They are really physically durable - designed to last for years and years being banged by steel pans, are electrically durable for the same reason, and are relatively cheap ($40). Given river sand is almost completely electrically insulating, so I can use physical friction-fit terminals and bare copper wire (copper wire melting point >1000C) run through the sand and with refractory cement 'grommets' through the steel wall
- 220L drum and small river rocks - the rocks make good heat sinks, are insulating for the internal drum, allow decent airflow, are inflammable, and are cheap. I have a lot of leftover glass wool insulation which I would wrap the whole assembly in for further insulation.
- Solar panels running directly to the element removes any losses from DC/AC transformation. I was going to use a spare car battery and cheap solar charge controller (~$20) for 12V supply for the inline fan
- 12V inline bilge blower/fan - again, cheap and reliable. Good ones with decent bearings are designed to run forever in a boat engine room. They draw about 20-30W for 100-150 cu ft/min. A 60AH battery would give 720Wh or 24 hours continuous running
- 350W solar panels - price/performance they're neither cutting edge or expensive - less than NZ$1/W. At noon in winter I was getting ~9A @ ~35V from one panel - enough to get the element to give about 350W of heat at peak. Tossing up whether to go series or parallel. I have two lower-powered (200W) panels which I can use to gain measurements between the two different architectures.
In addition to the sand battery and its components I will set up a control and monitoring system using an ESP32 and some thermocouples and maybe even act as a speed controller for the DC blower. I already have a fully-operational Home Assistant setup which I can use for monitoring and control - I already monitor power & environmentals using ESPs, so have experience integrating such devices.
And, I can get it all up and running for about $50 as a test unit.
The main question is - why tf did I wait until the first week of spring to do this?
Yes, I have followed all his videos with great interest.Original concept from this guy:
He's got about 30 vids over 6 months of progressively improved design.
I'll work it the other way - whatever I get will be the heat we will employ.You didn't give an approximate location. You will want to do a heat load calculation and that will give you an idea of what your savings are. What is the plan for rain/cloudy and overnight?
That's a good system - We have on-call mains-pressure gas hot water - so no water tank.Yes, I have followed all his videos with great interest.
Looking at his temps over 250 degrees in the morning, if nothing else he has created a solar powered cob over or crock pot if he was to put a pot of beans in they would be cooked ;-0
I have completed my most recent project which is to use the extra solar power I have after my battery is charged, I dump that dc power direct from solar panels to the hot water heater element, in series is the thermostat of the hot water heater so once it hits temp, it auto shuts off, it has been working like a dream for the last few months.
The problem I see with a rocket stove with sand as the medium is insulating the barrel to conserve the heat after burning.I am in process of making my next sand battery. I want to heat it either by solar panels, or by burning trash / wood.... I am looking to figure out how to get that heat trapped into the sand with the rocket stove.
Underneath and outside.MyK3y, is this inside your house or underneath and outside?
I was leaning towards water for storage because I can keep a tank in my basement, then use a dc water pump to circulate hot water through some pex tubing. I was going to mount the pex tubing underneath my wood floor, then attach insulation underneath that. When I'm in my basement I'll look up and see the insulation in the ceiling of the basement. The heat will mostly rise up and warm up my entire floor upstairs. No need to add registers or anything upstairs really.
I've done a few airbnbs that had radiant floor heating and it was nice. I think you can replicate most of those features without huge expenditures if you plan it out. Pex tubing isn't that much and people sell their excess for cheap. I can find rigid insulation for between my floor joists used for cheap. No one in my home would probably even know I had it. And it would be pretty simple to remove if I sold the house.
In your case, if you have access under the floor it may be something to consider. I was always leary of water circulating in my house, all the plumbing fixtures, manifolds, etc... but the reality is to heat one or two rooms it is just a few hundred feet of tubing. The pump could literally be stored in the water tank and after it cycles through the pex it dumps back in the same tank. Your "water tank" could just be sitting next to your sand tank and rocks.
The problem I see with a rocket stove with sand as the medium is insulating the barrel to conserve the heat after burning.
If it was me, I would look at making a heat-pump from the rocket stove to the sand battery using a closed-loop thermosiphon heat transfer, like a copper pipe coil filled with mineral oil, to a corresponding coil in the sand battery. The efficiency is about 100% - depending on how well you insulate the pipes between the rocket stove and the battery case. Fibreglass sheathing holding rockwool or glass-wool round the pipe and wrapped in foil is pretty darned effective.
Most closed-loop solar hot water thermosiphon systems use mineral oil. Safe, inflammable, minimal expansion, high-heat load-carrying ability, low viscosity so the siphon is efficient.
Like this, but replace the solar collector with rocket stove: https://www.level.org.nz/fileadmin/downloads/Energy/LevelDiagram33.pdf
One advantage to living where liquor stills are readily available and legal, is the ease of access to off-the-shelf copper coils
Have you looked into Nicrome wire?Original concept from this guy:
He's got about 30 vids over 6 months of progressively improved design.
No matter how you fire it, you're going to need a way of storing the heat in sand and insulating it so you don't lose all the heat - how will you do that?I am thinking more to a design of a cob oven with either a TLUD or a rocket stove inside....
Maybe some of you saw David Poz build a water tank that holds 3 days of hot water . My concept it to use sand instead for a few reasons. I think a sand tank would have no maintenance & last for ever. It would not be a possible source of humidity &/or mold. Sand can get hotter than water. No leaks.
How to plumb all that is where I am going to need some advice. Main question is how do I circulate the water (yes copper coil)? But how do I plumb to use the same water to heat the mass & then get that heat out when I need it. My best guess is some kinda valve system. Maybe I should watch Davids video again lol. But I'd also like to know what ppl think of the sand.
I was thinking ( which is a scary thing ) of building a cob oven insides with fire brick, inside then coating that with cob. Next with about 1 inch of cob on that create a pocket on top of the cob of dry sand. then in the sand put heating elements, then seal all of that in with cob..... Thus you could heat the thermal mass either by the heating elements or use wood heat.... May need chicken wire over the final pat to give it more stucture......No matter how you fire it, you're going to need a way of storing the heat in sand and insulating it so you don't lose all the heat - how will you do that?
I can share what people do here when we are talking about a storage tank for a lot of energy - they use water tanks from trucks with decent heat insulation. With some math and 16m3 tank you'll get close to 18kWh of stored energy for each degree Celsius of temperature rise for the water inside. If it was sand the energy per 1C would be ~7kWh.
Water has a lot of advantages when you want to put in and get out the heat energy. First - it will take more than twice the energy to heat up with 1C compared to sand with the same volume. This will result in a lower temperature for the heat transfer medium that you loop through the solar collector. This will increase the efficiency of the collectors. Second, the upper layer of the tank will always be with the highest temperature. This will ease heat extraction.
If you have concerns about maintenance - use inhibitors for bacteria growth and for metal corrosion. This is what I use in my water UFH system