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Someone told me to buy these, now what?? Need help with lug connectors

I have recently been told by a highly qualified engineer... (not me!) soldering a terminal end is inferior to a solid crimp, and weatherization... a proper hydrolic compression crimp, sealed with watertight shrink is the absolute best. Also, soldering the cable can result in brittle wires that break...
I do not know one way or the other... and the brittle wires, could be from overtinning, or some other error in the soldering process... but it is what he said, and I have had it repeated by inspectors as well...

My fields of study are electro-magnetic and metalurgy, so I'm shaky on electro-chemical...

Metallurgically, solder in SOME applications where high or constant vibration is not recommended.
Aircraft, submarines, anything that has constant High Frequency vibration will Work Harden wires right being the solder.
Wiring is bundled, stationary, then there is free wire that will vibrate/swing, solder keeps the wire strands from deforming and radius bending, and they can break off just behind the terminal.

This is bending the strands, work hardening the conductor,
In metalurgy we call it stress, fracturing the crystalline grains.
As crystals fracture, 'Slivers' break off, with wedge shaped sharp edges,
Those wedges are very efficient 'Jacks' and pry the grains apart until they fail.

This is brass, but it's 70% or more copper,and the image is called a Micrograph.
The diamond shape punch mark is a hardness (cross sectional density) punch, and the mark is measured to determine how much the material deflects when pressure is applied (hardness, resistance against the force calibrated punch).

This sample has been mounted, polished down to 2 microns, acid etched & stained so you can see the crystals.
Polarized light filters are used to being details out in the image.

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There is a reason I say to point the terminal down about 45 degrees, and STOP when the solder starts climbing the wire bundle.
Tinning up to the insulation line is recommended, but tinning INSIDE the insulation is a bad idea.
Gravity & Air pressure inside the insulation will 'Cap' the solder, the solder will be more or less a straight line, and hard/fixed conductor strands that can't move are a bad idea, it creates a Stress Line where all strands are forced to bend at the same spots over & over, work hardening the strands.

The benefits of properly soldering bare copper outweigh the negatives, particularly in DC wiring.
DC doesn't have the same rules of conduction AC has, DC is one way electron flow...
Resistance ANYWHERE accumulates & compounds.
(Skin Effect is why corroded aluminum AC power lines waste as much as 80% of production in transmission, and voltage is pushed instead of amperage)

Another benefit is environmental protection of the expensive copper and the time saved NOT having your system down while you tracked and replaced corroded wires and ruined terminals, particularly terminal to wire sockets you CAN'T see on visual inspection.
The ONLY way to track a corroded socket/cable corroded under the insulation is a Load Test.
1-1/2 volt resistance multimeter will not detect corroded conductors if there is even one strand still intact.
When a 2/0 cable won't conduct 35 amps, but shows no resistance since *Some* strands are intact, a load test is the only way to find it...
Solder simply seals up the exposed wires so acid/corrosive moisture can't enter.

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There is no 'Skin Effect' with DC, only solid, internal contact conducts DC.
Solder increases that contact mass/area, particularly if it contains silver.
AC lines are melted/welded at terminus into a solid mass, the surface area of strands is what is important, while DC amp load is carried by mass, one solid conductor does best, but if you want to bend it, tightly packed fine strands puts more mass in the same size space and allows it to bend.
(One reason I recommend fine strand welding cable, it carries more amperage than the heavier strand 'Battery' cable in the same AWG size)

I go on & on about contact surface area, the 'Thickness' (conductor capacity) of heavy 'Neck' terminals instead of thin/hollow tubing terminals,
But when I started a 120 Watt panel was HUGE, Expensive and hard to find, every watt counted.
I was making due with leaky lead acid batteries that were short lived and expensive.
Having my cables heat up sucking Watts in do so taught me some hard & expensive lessons.

Since stationary solar batteries/DC connections aren't subjected to high frequancy vibration, and they will never conduct AC, there aren't any down sides.
In a vehicle, that bounces down the highway a few minutes/hours a day, consider battery cables are often cast/molded directly into lead terminals, the same as solder and take decades to fail, the lead/acid battery usually eating up terminals before conductor fails.

I would point out that oxy-torch actual silver is used for solder in the big welders & generators, train drive motors, etc.
Constant vibration 24/7/365 since 1900 (120+ YEARS!) In subway system generators in big cities.
The original Edison, Tesla & Westinghouse generators are still in use...
The original Tesla/Westinghouse generators at Hoover Dam just got their first rebuild around 2000, in continuous service all that time on silver soldered (pure silver) connections.

It's all entirely what you want to believe and how you want to do things.

In a camper/RV/trailer that can have moisture condensation I personally would solder and glue/heat shrink since condensed water will run down the cable directly into terminals.
If you check around the forum, you will find complaints about propane heat producing a LOT of moisture, and virtually all campers/RVs are propane heated.
Cooking produces a lot of moisture that has to condense somewhere...
A little solder and a little heat shrink goes a LONG way towards zero harness fails, I HATE chasing harness fails :( .

Then we have to consider the electro-chemical end of things.
While metals will transfer and plate the opposite terminal, or even bond solidly with the other terminal in an IDEAL environment,
But a common oxygen environment is FAR from 'Ideal'!

Breathing oxygen (O2) and Ozone (O3) are bad enough in electrical connections, worse in DC connections,
Moisture (H2O) with a current running through it splits, the Hydrogen is separated from Oxygen (O) which immediately attacks the conductor material in the connection.

Anything trying to transfer from one terminal to another (ions, electrons) taking material with them instantly corrodes in the Oxygen (O) environment.
Something as simple as grease seals out moisture/oxygen and the connection sides live MUCH longer.
The grease is squeezed out anywhere the metals meet, but remains in what would normally be air spaces that would allow moisture into the connection.

This all assumes there isn't anything else in the air/moisture getting into the connection,
Sulfur (sulfuric acid), salts, all kinds of other stuff rides the moisture into that connection.
We all know what 'Salt Air' or salt on roadways does to metals, particularly where metals meet and create a weak (DC) battery called a 'Galvanic' reaction, the sheet metal simply corrodes away on car bodies at seams...

Throw a million times that DC current through that contact area, DC terminal to DC terminal, and the response is a million times greater.
Solder removes the air gap and increases the contact area PERMANENTLY.
Even a coat of grease in the air spaces reduces that potential for 'Air' and moisture to enter and the corrosion process is stopped or slowed down by about a million times.
There is a reason electrical insulation are non-oxygen permeable...

The. Consider thermal expansion...
Normal heat/cool cycles, hot day & cool, most nights.
Or duty cycle, heavy loading heat and light load cool down.

Everytime the cable heats, the air expands, when it cools it draws in moist air and the moisture condenses on the conductors.
It's the same principal when gas tanks & oil pans condense moisture out of the air.
Blind socket terminal ends keep moisture/corrosives from entering the cable/terminal socket and cable insulation.
Grease, solder & glue/heat shrink do the same job even though some people argue against it, it's just common sense.

It's application, since our solar batteries are DC, and since they don't vibrate constantly,
And since this isn't very fine wire that's unsecured and swings around with that vibration.
These cables are heavy, and like battery cables in vehicles, they aren't subjected to high frequancy vibration, but have bare copper (not tinned wire) exposed constantly to oxygen & moisture rich environment.

In the solar/RE, bare copper, DC current APPLICATION, I find soldering has few drawback and several benefits.

Make up your own mind, it's *Your* system, do what you want to.
It's your decision, I'm just passing along what I've learned through education & experience, use it if you can or want to...
 
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I need one that does 1/0 maybe even bigger

Maybe not, every welding shop will have the $400 crimpers and will crimp on the big, heavy terminals for little or nothing, then you can get away with the little crimpers for cheap.
Only the battery to inverter cables need to be the big, heavy terminal versions.

A good set with multi-dies will run $350-$400 for the bolt cutters handle manual versions.
I have a couple, and since they are so expensive, I show up when the solar folks are building to lend speciality tools and help out where I can. (I work for pizza & beer!)

My business is rebuilding starters, alternators, generators/welders, AC & DC motors, wiring harnesses for harsh conditions, machine & welding shop.
I have military contacts (you want 'Stupid' try a military contract!) and I'm a certified welder, have government certification for soldering (the 'government' way).
I also heat treat metals, so the metalurgy education.

It's up to you to decide what you want to do with *Your* system.
I'm just trying to help cut down on costs and make the system more reliable.
Since my education/experience is with industrial and not consumer equipment, it's up to you to decide how 'Bullet Proof' you want to make your system.

I've had about 25 years to observe what works and what doesn't, picked up tips & 'Tricks'...
While there are a LOT of people more educated/experienced in the specifications & programming, etc of equipment than me, I'm a mechanical/manual kind of guy and try to help out where I can...

It ALWAYS the details that get you, the old saying is "The Devil Is In The Details".
 
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My fields of study are electro-magnetic and metalurgy, so I'm shaky on electro-chemical...

Metallurgically, solder in SOME applications where high or constant vibration is not recommended.
Aircraft, submarines, anything that has constant High Frequency vibration will Work Harden wires right being the solder.
Wiring is bundled, stationary, then there is free wire that will vibrate/swing, solder keeps the wire strands from deforming and radius bending, and they can break off just behind the terminal.

This is bending the strands, work hardening the conductor,
In metalurgy we call it stress, fracturing the crystalline grains.
As crystals fracture, 'Slivers' break off, with wedge shaped sharp edges,
Those wedges are very efficient 'Jacks' and pry the grains apart until they fail.

This is brass, but it's 70% or more copper,and the image is called a Micrograph.
The diamond shape punch mark is a hardness (cross sectional density) punch, and the mark is measured to determine how much the material deflects when pressure is applied (hardness, resistance against the force calibrated punch).

This sample has been mounted, polished down to 2 microns, acid etched & stained so you can see the crystals.
Polarized light filters are used to being details out in the image.

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There is a reason I say to point the terminal down about 45 degrees, and STOP when the solder starts climbing the wire bundle.
Tinning up to the insulation line is recommended, but tinning INSIDE the insulation is a bad idea.
Gravity & Air pressure inside the insulation will 'Cap' the solder, the solder will be more or less a straight line, and hard/fixed conductor strands that can't move are a bad idea, it creates a Stress Line where all strands are forced to bend at the same spots over & over, work hardening the strands.

The benefits of properly soldering bare copper outweigh the negatives, particularly in DC wiring.
DC doesn't have the same rules of conduction AC has, DC is one way electron flow...
Resistance ANYWHERE accumulates & compounds.
(Skin Effect is why corroded aluminum AC power lines waste as much as 80% of production in transmission, and voltage is pushed instead of amperage)

Another benefit is environmental protection of the expensive copper and the time saved NOT having your system down while you tracked and replaced corroded wires and ruined terminals, particularly terminal to wire sockets you CAN'T see on visual inspection.
The ONLY way to track a corroded socket/cable corroded under the insulation is a Load Test.
1-1/2 volt resistance multimeter will not detect corroded conductors if there is even one strand still intact.
When a 2/0 cable won't conduct 35 amps, but shows no resistance since *Some* strands are intact, a load test is the only way to find it...
Solder simply seals up the exposed wires so acid/corrosive moisture can't enter.

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There is no 'Skin Effect' with DC, only solid, internal contact conducts DC.
Solder increases that contact mass/area, particularly if it contains silver.
AC lines are melted/welded at terminus into a solid mass, the surface area of strands is what is important, while DC amp load is carried by mass, one solid conductor does best, but if you want to bend it, tightly packed fine strands puts more mass in the same size space and allows it to bend.
(One reason I recommend fine strand welding cable, it carries more amperage than the heavier strand 'Battery' cable in the same AWG size)

I go on & on about contact surface area, the 'Thickness' (conductor capacity) of heavy 'Neck' terminals instead of thin/hollow tubing terminals,
But when I started a 120 Watt panel was HUGE, Expensive and hard to find, every watt counted.
I was making due with leaky lead acid batteries that were short lived and expensive.
Having my cables heat up sucking Watts in do so taught me some hard & expensive lessons.

Since stationary solar batteries/DC connections aren't subjected to high frequancy vibration, and they will never conduct AC, there aren't any down sides.
In a vehicle, that bounces down the highway a few minutes/hours a day, consider battery cables are often cast/molded directly into lead terminals, the same as solder and take decades to fail, the lead/acid battery usually eating up terminals before conductor fails.

I would point out that oxy-torch actual silver is used for solder in the big welders & generators, train drive motors, etc.
Constant vibration 24/7/365 since 1900 (120+ YEARS!) In subway system generators in big cities.
The original Edison, Tesla & Westinghouse generators are still in use...
The original Tesla/Westinghouse generators at Hoover Dam just got their first rebuild around 2000, in continuous service all that time on silver soldered (pure silver) connections.

It's all entirely what you want to believe and how you want to do things.

In a camper/RV/trailer that can have moisture condensation I personally would solder and glue/heat shrink since condensed water will run down the cable directly into terminals.
If you check around the forum, you will find complaints about propane heat producing a LOT of moisture, and virtually all campers/RVs are propane heated.
Cooking produces a lot of moisture that has to condense somewhere...
A little solder and a little heat shrink goes a LONG way towards zero harness fails, I HATE chasing harness fails :( .

Then we have to consider the electro-chemical end of things.
While metals will transfer and plate the opposite terminal, or even bond solidly with the other terminal in an IDEAL environment,
But a common oxygen environment is FAR from 'Ideal'!

Breathing oxygen (O2) and Ozone (O3) are bad enough in electrical connections, worse in DC connections,
Moisture (H2O) with a current running through it splits, the Hydrogen is separated from Oxygen (O) which immediately attacks the conductor material in the connection.

Anything trying to transfer from one terminal to another (ions, electrons) taking material with them instantly corrodes in the Oxygen (O) environment.
Something as simple as grease seals out moisture/oxygen and the connection sides live MUCH longer.
The grease is squeezed out anywhere the metals meet, but remains in what would normally be air spaces that would allow moisture into the connection.

This all assumes there isn't anything else in the air/moisture getting into the connection,
Sulfur (sulfuric acid), salts, all kinds of other stuff rides the moisture into that connection.
We all know what 'Salt Air' or salt on roadways does to metals, particularly where metals meet and create a weak (DC) battery called a 'Galvanic' reaction, the sheet metal simply corrodes away on car bodies at seams...

Throw a million times that DC current through that contact area, DC terminal to DC terminal, and the response is a million times greater.
Solder removes the air gap and increases the contact area PERMANENTLY.
Even a coat of grease in the air spaces reduces that potential for 'Air' and moisture to enter and the corrosion process is stopped or slowed down by about a million times.
There is a reason electrical insulation are non-oxygen permeable...

The. Consider thermal expansion...
Normal heat/cool cycles, hot day & cool, most nights.
Or duty cycle, heavy loading heat and light load cool down.

Everytime the cable heats, the air expands, when it cools it draws in moist air and the moisture condenses on the conductors.
It's the same principal when gas tanks & oil pans condense moisture out of the air.
Blind socket terminal ends keep moisture/corrosives from entering the cable/terminal socket and cable insulation.
Grease, solder & glue/heat shrink do the same job even though some people argue against it, it's just common sense.

It's application, since our solar batteries are DC, and since they don't vibrate constantly,
And since this isn't very fine wire that's unsecured and swings around with that vibration.
These cables are heavy, and like battery cables in vehicles, they aren't subjected to high frequancy vibration, but have bare copper (not tinned wire) exposed constantly to oxygen & moisture rich environment.

In the solar/RE, bare copper, DC current APPLICATION, I find soldering has few drawback and several benefits.

Make up your own mind, it's *Your* system, do what you want to.
It's your decision, I'm just passing along what I've learned through education & experience, use it if you can or want to...
Wow! You must really know your stuff @JeepHammer! @Will Prowse should make you a mod if you want to be one?!!
 
Maybe not, every welding shop will have the $400 crimpers and will crimp on the big, heavy terminals for little or nothing, then you can get away with the little crimpers for cheap.
Only the battery to inverter cables need to be the big, heavy terminal versions.

A good set with multi-dies will run $350-$400 for the bolt cutters handle manual versions.
I have a couple, and since they are so expensive, I show up when the solar folks are building to lend speciality tools and help out where I can. (I work for pizza & beer!)

My business is rebuilding starters, alternators, generators/welders, AC & DC motors, wiring harnesses for harsh conditions, machine & welding shop.
I have military contacts (you want 'Stupid' try a military contract!) and I'm a certified welder, have government certification for soldering (the 'government' way).
I also heat treat metals, so the metalurgy education.

It's up to you to decide what you want to do with *Your* system.
I'm just trying to help cut down on costs and make the system more reliable.
Since my education/experience is with industrial and not consumer equipment, it's up to you to decide how 'Bullet Proof' you want to make your system.

I've had about 25 years to observe what works and what doesn't, picked up tips & 'Tricks'...
While there are a LOT of people more educated/experienced in the specifications & programming, etc of equipment than me, I'm a mechanical/manual kind of guy and try to help out where I can...

It ALWAYS the details that get you, the old saying is "The Devil Is In The Details".
@JeepHammer Can I hire you??? ;-) I think you know exactly what you have told us and tried to teach us. Much appreciated, and I'm serious about hiring with teaching and application.
 
@JeepHammer Can I hire you??? ;-) I think you know exactly what you have told us and tried to teach us. Much appreciated, and I'm serious about hiring with teaching and application.
P.S. One of the 2 items Amazon sent me are the 4/0 cable cutters (out of about 40 items they cancelled). Should I return them?
 
Wow! You must really know your stuff @JeepHammer! @Will Prowse should make you a mod if you want to be one?!!

I'm WAY too new here for that... And with the latest crops of 'Programmable Everything' I might be a dinosaur.

I'm semi-retired and next year (hopefully) I'll be more retired.
I'm looking forward to the big decision of the day being nap, fishing & a nap, trip to the local country diner & a nap...
Did I mention I'm a big fan of naps! ;)

If it's 'Hire' as in diagrams or something over the internet I'll help out as time allows.
If it's travel, not interested, I can't be away from the business that long, and I hate to travel very far.
I spent 16 years in the Marines living out of duffle bags BEFORE I was disabled, I'm pretty happy being close to my own office chair & bed now...
 
I'm WAY too new here for that... And with the latest crops of 'Programmable Everything' I might be a dinosaur.

I'm semi-retired and next year (hopefully) I'll be more retired.
I'm looking forward to the big decision of the day being nap, fishing & a nap, trip to the local country diner & a nap...
Did I mention I'm a big fan of naps! ;)

If it's 'Hire' as in diagrams or something over the internet I'll help out as time allows.
If it's travel, not interested, I can't be away from the business that long, and I hate to travel very far.
I spent 16 years in the Marines living out of duffle bags BEFORE I was disabled, I'm pretty happy being close to my own office chair & bed now...
Thank you for your service most importantly. Can we travel to you?
 
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I'm WAY too new here for that... And with the latest crops of 'Programmable Everything' I might be a dinosaur.

I'm semi-retired and next year (hopefully) I'll be more retired.
I'm looking forward to the big decision of the day being nap, fishing & a nap, trip to the local country diner & a nap...
Did I mention I'm a big fan of naps! ;)

If it's 'Hire' as in diagrams or something over the internet I'll help out as time allows.
If it's travel, not interested, I can't be away from the business that long, and I hate to travel very far.
I spent 16 years in the Marines living out of duffle bags BEFORE I was disabled, I'm pretty happy being close to my own office chair & bed now...
BTW, like you said, these old things like the dams have lasted a very long time. I am of the mind-set that is "if it isn't broke, don't fix it."
 
P.S. One of the 2 items Amazon sent me are the 4/0 cable cutters (out of about 40 items they cancelled). Should I return them?

TOOLS are what wise men learn & build with.
You can READ about welding, soldering, etc until you can teach a class in 'Theory',
But the truly EDUCATED and well versed 'DO' instead of just read.

We live in a world of 'Internet Experts' with 'YouTube Degrees',
But I interview job seekers 'Claiming' to have experience that can't find 5/16" on a ruler or figure out how to check air in a tire, forget changing a flat tire...
And every single one of them gets mad when the shortcomings become apparent over 'Claims'.

Someone that willing to consider EVERYTHING and learn without their ego getting in the way is rarely, but solid gold in the work place.
I always say, "Don't trust me, prove it to yourself"...

You have to break eggs to make an omelette, you have to break taps to learn threading holes, you have to cook some insulation to learn soldering,
You can't teach tactile skills in a 'BoobTube' video.

EVERY mechanic/maintenance man/builder has twisted off bolts,
EVERY electrician has been shocked,
EVERY welder has been burned...
EVERYONE that has got off the couch, out from the video games has made mistakes,
The guys that become REALLY good at something did it through a series of mistakes combined with education.
You *Consider* what everyone has to say, DO NOT take it as cold fact...
Try a little bit of everything, and like a buffet, go back for more of what was good! ;)

*I* don't let ego get in the way of my education...
Some guy says this is the "ONLY" way to do something, I smile politely and try to absorb as much of what he knows as I can... And leave his "My Way Or The Highway" attitude behind.

The dumbest, laziest guy in the world *Might* stumble onto something,
Even blind pigs find acorns once in a while!
Lazy people will often show you the easiest way to get something done, through trial & error they figure out what is just 'Good Enough' to not get them fired...
I'll hit the 'Easy' button when I can, so I see what they do.

The 'Perfectionist' is consumed with 'Ideal End Product' and often overlooks THE PROCESS and how to speed things up.
So my crimps aren't 'Perfectly' spaced, and I get a solder slobber/drip here and there,
It hurts nothing, and I'm hiding it under heat shrink anyway...
When I see the cable rubbing somewhere I slip on heat shrink for the rub spot and don't change the entire cable,
It's application based, not greased for 'Art'... Even though I try to make it look nice and clean, life happens...

With tools, if you buy expensive, top quality they WILL last a lifetime in most cases.
The 'Trick' is to make them work/pay.
For the local farmers (equipment in the rain, farm chemicals) and the local racers/off-roaders (extreme performance) I'm 'The Cable Guy'.
It doesn't take a lot of $5 profit margin jobs to pay off a $300 crimping tool that's a joy to work with,
And if they don't show up with their own hardware, I make a little on materials.
(A cheap tool/cheap parts will drive you nuts)

*IF* you buy reasonable tools, consider the LOCAL forums and places like Craig's list to find people doing things where custom cables are required.
Custom car groups (shops will have their own tools), RE groups, boating groups, farm equipment restoring groups will all want top quality and fitting over "Of The Shelf".
Even if you break even and stop, that's still FREE TOOLS! :)
 
I want to learn EVERYTHING about this. I have no ego. I want to buy the best of tools and supplies that I can use now or for the future, IF I will need them.
 
Thank you for your service most importantly. Can we travel to you? I am disabled and female, but still want to finish my life dreams. (one being to get the hell out of Los Angeles and to see this beautiful country, then settle in my Amish built home (with solar! thanks to Will).

We never had kids, 35 & disabled when I got out of the Marines, and not too long after my wife had cancer so that ruled kids out entirely.
I don't mind well behaved kids, but I can't stand brats!

We have had a BUNCH of mentor kids down through the years, somewhere between 1/4 & 1/3 were female,
And we got the 'Oddballs' that were often considered 'Disabled', sometimes it was physically, sometimes it was 'Mental'/Behaviors.
For instance, a deformed foot limits mechanical/electrical engineering about 0%.
Probably gives them more time to study, practice & experiment, log it all into the mental 'Bank' more comprehensively when they aren't out drunk, stoned and getting pregnant or arrested...
A 100% OBJECTIVE (not subjective) environment with goals where a 'Disability' doesn't matter at all probably helps too. Either your 'Gadget' works or it doesn't, and when it doesn't EVERYONE helps to find the issue and help you out...

Asperger's syndrome kids learn almost instantly and retain forever.
By definition Asperger's excludes any 'Handicap' and defines cognitive ability beyond 'Normal' (what ever 'Normal' is...).
The challenge with aspergers is feeding them information/experience/stimulation FAST enough!
They could care less if they have 'Fashion' or even hand-me-downs, or if the shirt is buttoned up correctly,
But give them a mechanical/electrical problem and you had better be strapped in and your information correct because they WILL find any flaw in the information/process!

I only accept the mechanically/electrically inclined, it would be stupid to accept someone that was interested in medicine since the extent of my medical knowledge is opening the Tylenol bottle... ;)

ANYONE can learn the basics of an electrical circuit, simple soldering, crimping, etc.
Almost anyone can learn to figure out Watts/Amps/Volts.
Almost anyone can learn to use a multimeter, resistance/load tester, etc.
I guess if you shock yourself on flashlight batteries or need stitches after trying to open the flashlight or battery package... Maybe not...

It's foundation over decoration,
Education AND actual experience.
A simple circuit today, a battery cable tomorrow, circuit protection the day after that, compound circuits by the end of the week...
The more you do, the more you learn, the more you learn the more you can do!
 
Yeah he is mod worthy. great posts in this thread.

Thank you, that means a lot.
I was afraid since I didn't have an advanced degree or something I would be the 'Dunce In The Corner' here.
I kind of built my system like 'Mad Max', truck axles for solar tracking posts with bearings, office/house trailer frames for panel mounts, an old shipping container for my 'Power House', etc.
It's what was left on the property when I got it, so I 'Recycled' it.
Most everything I started with was scrounged from something else, used batteries, used panels, home built charge controllers, etc.

I *Try* to put things in common terms, and explain things a couple different ways.
Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks!
Whatever helps someone mentally picture a way to do what they want to...
 
We never had kids, 35 & disabled when I got out of the Marines, and not too long after my wife had cancer so that ruled kids out entirely.
I don't mind well behaved kids, but I can't stand brats!

We have had a BUNCH of mentor kids down through the years, somewhere between 1/4 & 1/3 were female,
And we got the 'Oddballs' that were often considered 'Disabled', sometimes it was physically, sometimes it was 'Mental'/Behaviors.
For instance, a deformed foot limits mechanical/electrical engineering about 0%.
Probably gives them more time to study, practice & experiment, log it all into the mental 'Bank' more comprehensively when they aren't out drunk, stoned and getting pregnant or arrested...
A 100% OBJECTIVE (not subjective) environment with goals where a 'Disability' doesn't matter at all probably helps too. Either your 'Gadget' works or it doesn't, and when it doesn't EVERYONE helps to find the issue and help you out...

Asperger's syndrome kids learn almost instantly and retain forever.
By definition Asperger's excludes any 'Handicap' and defines cognitive ability beyond 'Normal' (what ever 'Normal' is...).
The challenge with aspergers is feeding them information/experience/stimulation FAST enough!
They could care less if they have 'Fashion' or even hand-me-downs, or if the shirt is buttoned up correctly,
But give them a mechanical/electrical problem and you had better be strapped in and your information correct because they WILL find any flaw in the information/process!

I only accept the mechanically/electrically inclined, it would be stupid to accept someone that was interested in medicine since the extent of my medical knowledge is opening the Tylenol bottle... ;)

ANYONE can learn the basics of an electrical circuit, simple soldering, crimping, etc.
Almost anyone can learn to figure out Watts/Amps/Volts.
Almost anyone can learn to use a multimeter, resistance/load tester, etc.
I guess if you shock yourself on flashlight batteries or need stitches after trying to open the flashlight or battery package... Maybe not...

It's foundation over decoration,
Education AND actual experience.
A simple circuit today, a battery cable tomorrow, circuit protection the day after that, compound circuits by the end of the week...
The more you do, the more you learn, the more you learn the more you can do!
I would be considered an older female.

I wanted to be an electrician and even tried to be one at age 18 or 19? I went in front of the interview panel and at that time it was COMPLETELY different than what they could ask you now. They asked things like: how would you feel if you worked with only men and they made sexual jokes about women? I only answered as an 18 year old woman would, back in 1979 or 1980. I wasn't offered an apprenticeship. My father was an electrical engineer (not sure of the title). He died when I was almost 7. I used to help him in his shop and was fascinated with what he did and tried to help him every chance I got. I am a willing student. I only need the teacher. I am supposed to be receiving a ...I don't know what you call it, from my past employer to re-train me, and maybe someone here can help me. If the last employer will pay for it, and I am eligible, why not learn electrical solar?
 
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BTW, like you said, these old things like the dams have lasted a very long time. I am of the mind-set that is "if it isn't broke, don't fix it."

I'm of the school, "Build So It Doesn't Fail".
Buy/Build Once, Cry About The Price/Work Once.

And just for the record, I didn't say anything about dams,
My interest was completely in the Tesla/Westinghouse & Edison generators/motors.

The New York subway system operates on 600 Volts DC.
That 600 VDC is produced by a self rectifying (no AC to DC rectifiers) 'Dynamo' type generator that has been in constant use since Nicola Tesla designed it and Thomas Edison built it, with only brush & bearing maintiance in all this time.
It so critical to transportation in New York city the location is kept secret and Homeland Security guards it.

While we know EXACTLY where the generators are in Hoover dam, those Nicola Tesla designed and Westinghouse built generators were only recently rebuilt using *Slightly* more pure copper/silver than was available when they were built, and modern insulating materials for a *Slight* increase in production for the same amount of water used.
That will be millions of extra kWH over time, and water is a dwindling resource...
But the frame, field & armature design didn't change since no one has come up with anything more efficient in the past 100 years!
 
I'm not a kid. I would be considered an older female who has struggled a lot of her life, ALL BY HERSELF. I have been physically disabled due to being injured at work on a civil service job in recent times.

I wanted to be an electrician and even tried to be one at age 18 or 19? I went in front of the interview panel and at that time it was COMPLETELY different than what they could ask you now. They asked things like: how would you feel if you worked with only men and they made sexual jokes about women? I only answered as an 18 year old woman would, back in 1979 or 1980. I wasn't offered an apprenticeship. My father was an electrical engineer (not sure of the title). He died when I was almost 7. I used to help him in his shop and was fascinated with what he did and tried to help him every chance I got. I am a willing student. I only need the teacher. I am supposed to be receiving a ...I don't know what you call it, from my past employer to re-train me, and maybe someone herecan help me. If the last employer will pay for it, and I am eligible, why not learn electrical solar?
BUT! I am only here to learn. I didn't come here for anything else besides that. It just occurred to me because (I am receiving emails from someone who is trying to set up my future training) . Maybe I could get some kind of formal training? and learn to help with my current life situation and goals?
 
I'm not a kid. I would be considered an older female who has struggled a lot of her life, ALL BY HERSELF. I have been physically disabled due to being injured at work on a civil service job in recent times.

I wanted to be an electrician and even tried to be one at age 18 or 19? I went in front of the interview panel and at that time it was COMPLETELY different than what they could ask you now. They asked things like: how would you feel if you worked with only men and they made sexual jokes about women? I only answered as an 18 year old woman would, back in 1979 or 1980. I wasn't offered an apprenticeship. My father was an electrical engineer (not sure of the title). He died when I was almost 7. I used to help him in his shop and was fascinated with what he did and tried to help him every chance I got. I am a willing student. I only need the teacher. I am supposed to be receiving a ...I don't know what you call it, from my past employer to re-train me, and maybe someone herecan help me. If the last employer will pay for it, and I am eligible, why not learn electrical solar?

I'm aware that happens, I've seen it first hand.
I just don't understand it since I grew up on a family farm with about 2:1 or 3:1 girl/boy birth bias and EVERYONE worked on the jobs at hand.
More by size than gender, if you were big enough to swing an axe, that's what you did.

My wife can spec a camshaft and drive ratio for a supercharged racing engine, outshoot most guys, tooled around in a supercharged, electronic fuel injected 650 HP 'Muscle Car' to get the groceries, and when I started my shop she could rebuild automatic transmissions AFTER she got home from her 'Regular' job.

More than one person was left speechless when they saw 120 pound woman on a step stool so she could reach into an automatic transmission on the stand... In a sun dress! :)
You should see the rangers & sheriff's deputies cringe when she shoots the crotch out of the human shaped targets when she has to qualify where she works now!
She calls them 'Warning Shots'! ;)
(but it's actually just warm up shots before she qualifies...)

Availability isn't suitability,
I wasn't interested in her because she was the tallest, skinniest, blondest, biggest boobed woman I could find,
I was interested in her because she was sweet, polite, caring and smart as a whip without an ego or mean streak.

Suitable for an old war horse like me, I need someone smart around so I don't burn my eyebrows off, spend food/mortgage money on beer & car parts, try skateboarding behind a car at 50 MPH, the usual idiotic hillbilly 'Man' stuff...

Not that I would *Ever* do something stupid... (Insert eye roll here)
Our armed forces day ritual is full grown (over grown) people racing plastic kids cars down a big hill with a blood/alcohol content that would catch fire...

We ain't pretty, but we have a LOT of fun!

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