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Have you considered a transfer switch at the main breaker panel that allows you to energize a few circuits?
like this?
like this?
It is not.Is it a waterbed?
Hitting the sauce Squid? relax everybody is pointing him in that direction nice and slow.. no need for the hyperbole.May as well get out the knob and tube kit and while you are at it may as well use some cloth wire jumpers and bare aluminum wire to connect the outlets. Be about as safe in the end.
I will watch for your post in the "up in smoke.... learn from my mistakes" section. I really do hope nobody is injured due to your lack of foresight and imagination.
If you are going to "play" with electricity you should understand the corners you cut and who could be hurt.
If you want to have more of a turn-key setup verse DIY the eco series boxes are fine for that. There are a number of reports of flameout failures. Not many but enough they should be kept out of any living space.
For your family you should get an interlock breaker and critical loads panel and wire things properly. Keep the eco and any batteries in the garage where there is a 4 hour burn time between you and it. And make sure to use the proper Eco accessories when you do it. If you have no garage the figure out the right way to put them away from where you live.
LiFePO4 batteries are pretty safe, much safer that most other chemistries. But if they short or have a failure. These are the chemicals that are expelled. None will kill right off, but the hydrogen will burn and the others are toxic especially to pets and children.
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2): In small amounts, CO2 is not harmful. However, in high concentrations, it can lead to respiratory distress and, in extreme cases, suffocation.
- Carbon Monoxide (CO): CO is a highly toxic gas that can be lethal. It binds to hemoglobin in the blood, reducing the blood's ability to carry oxygen. Exposure can lead to headaches, dizziness, nausea, confusion, and in severe cases, death.
- Hydrogen (H2): Hydrogen is not toxic, but it is highly flammable. Accumulation of hydrogen gas can create an explosion risk if ignited.
- Phosphorus Oxyfluoride (POF3): This is a toxic and corrosive gas. Inhalation can cause respiratory irritation, coughing, and shortness of breath. Long-term exposure can lead to more severe respiratory problems.
- Lithium Fluoride (LiF): While not typically a major concern in its gaseous form, any particulate matter from LiF can irritate the respiratory system if inhaled.
- Various Organic Compounds: The toxicity of these compounds varies depending on their specific nature. Some may cause irritation of the eyes, skin, and respiratory system, while others could have more severe toxic effects.
So, yes in my opinion you are being stupid.
Hitting the sauce Squid? relax everybody is pointing him in that direction nice and slow.. no need for the hyperbole.
Disconnect wifeYes, she hates it.
What is the easiest option here?
Yikes!May as well get out the knob and tube kit and while you are at it may as well use some cloth wire jumpers and bare aluminum wire to connect the outlets. Be about as safe in the end.
I will watch for your post in the "up in smoke.... learn from my mistakes" section. I really do hope nobody is injured due to your lack of foresight and imagination.
If you are going to "play" with electricity you should understand the corners you cut and who could be hurt.
If you want to have more of a turn-key setup verse DIY the eco series boxes are fine for that. There are a number of reports of flameout failures. Not many but enough they should be kept out of any living space.
For your family you should get an interlock breaker and critical loads panel and wire things properly. Keep the eco and any batteries in the garage where there is a 4 hour burn time between you and it. And make sure to use the proper Eco accessories when you do it. If you have no garage the figure out the right way to put them away from where you live.
LiFePO4 batteries are pretty safe, much safer that most other chemistries. But if they short or have a failure. These are the chemicals that are expelled. None will kill right off, but the hydrogen will burn and the others are toxic especially to pets and children.
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2): In small amounts, CO2 is not harmful. However, in high concentrations, it can lead to respiratory distress and, in extreme cases, suffocation.
- Carbon Monoxide (CO): CO is a highly toxic gas that can be lethal. It binds to hemoglobin in the blood, reducing the blood's ability to carry oxygen. Exposure can lead to headaches, dizziness, nausea, confusion, and in severe cases, death.
- Hydrogen (H2): Hydrogen is not toxic, but it is highly flammable. Accumulation of hydrogen gas can create an explosion risk if ignited.
- Phosphorus Oxyfluoride (POF3): This is a toxic and corrosive gas. Inhalation can cause respiratory irritation, coughing, and shortness of breath. Long-term exposure can lead to more severe respiratory problems.
- Lithium Fluoride (LiF): While not typically a major concern in its gaseous form, any particulate matter from LiF can irritate the respiratory system if inhaled.
- Various Organic Compounds: The toxicity of these compounds varies depending on their specific nature. Some may cause irritation of the eyes, skin, and respiratory system, while others could have more severe toxic effects.
So, yes in my opinion you are being stupid.
Could you please explain how the Eco products are any more dangerous, statistically, than any other lifepo4 home power solution? Could you please provide actual data instead of an old and anecdotal thread started on this forum by a member who was using his units in a way to poseibly cause his supposed multiple failures himself? Where and when have these “flame-outs” that you spoke of been reported? Under what operating conditions did they take place? I am genuinely curious as I’ve been using four delta pro units daily for the past eight months, give or take, and would hate to be putting anybody at risk. If the danger involved in these units is as extreme, or even close to, as bad as your claims then I would certainly like to be aware. Where did you get the statistics for Eco products? Is the rate of fire/failure danger greater than any other diy system? Where did you get the stats to compare the two? It seems any idiot with a wrench can put a diy system together, as evidenced by this forum, so how does that make those systems any safer than the Eco systems? Again, please inform us all how you formed your analysis. It seems to me that any system with wiring, fuses, switches, multiple connections of multiple parts and especially multiple batteries is installed with the inherent risk that something could go wrong. So how is an eco system worse? How many diy systems have failed/caused a safety issue in comparison? Who is keeping these records? Is it your job to compile them or just to analyze them? If you have some empirical evidence to share I’m sure it would be appreciated by multiple interested parties.May as well get out the knob and tube kit and while you are at it may as well use some cloth wire jumpers and bare aluminum wire to connect the outlets. Be about as safe in the end.
I will watch for your post in the "up in smoke.... learn from my mistakes" section. I really do hope nobody is injured due to your lack of foresight and imagination.
If you are going to "play" with electricity you should understand the corners you cut and who could be hurt.
If you want to have more of a turn-key setup verse DIY the eco series boxes are fine for that. There are a number of reports of flameout failures. Not many but enough they should be kept out of any living space.
For your family you should get an interlock breaker and critical loads panel and wire things properly. Keep the eco and any batteries in the garage where there is a 4 hour burn time between you and it. And make sure to use the proper Eco accessories when you do it. If you have no garage the figure out the right way to put them away from where you live.
LiFePO4 batteries are pretty safe, much safer that most other chemistries. But if they short or have a failure. These are the chemicals that are expelled. None will kill right off, but the hydrogen will burn and the others are toxic especially to pets and children.
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2): In small amounts, CO2 is not harmful. However, in high concentrations, it can lead to respiratory distress and, in extreme cases, suffocation.
- Carbon Monoxide (CO): CO is a highly toxic gas that can be lethal. It binds to hemoglobin in the blood, reducing the blood's ability to carry oxygen. Exposure can lead to headaches, dizziness, nausea, confusion, and in severe cases, death.
- Hydrogen (H2): Hydrogen is not toxic, but it is highly flammable. Accumulation of hydrogen gas can create an explosion risk if ignited.
- Phosphorus Oxyfluoride (POF3): This is a toxic and corrosive gas. Inhalation can cause respiratory irritation, coughing, and shortness of breath. Long-term exposure can lead to more severe respiratory problems.
- Lithium Fluoride (LiF): While not typically a major concern in its gaseous form, any particulate matter from LiF can irritate the respiratory system if inhaled.
- Various Organic Compounds: The toxicity of these compounds varies depending on their specific nature. Some may cause irritation of the eyes, skin, and respiratory system, while others could have more severe toxic effects.
So, yes in my opinion you are being stupid.
@Daddy Tanukiyeah agreed, but take my little camper for instance, even thought the batteries are in the front storage space it is separated from the adults bed by a piece of 1/4" veneer so not a whole lot of difference.
yeah its a european camper... they are specialists at using really thin wood to make things lightweight (and not very durable).@Daddy Tanuki
OMG only 1/4" veneer?! Are you crazy? Are you trying to engulf the entire country of Japan in flames? Don't you know that Japanese electrical code specifies there must be at least 1 tatami mat and 1 sliding paper door between a sleeping area and a solar battery??
"I knew if I'd wake her I'd wake up dead"things reminds me of a few dates I had when I was younger
Rut Roh. I have 400Ah of LiFePO4 installed under my bed in my RV. When my 3rd SOK comes in next week, it will be 600Ah.I'm a hater of extension leads too.
But I'm a bigger hater of any form of energy storage bigger than a smartphone in a bedroom!! (and I think carefully about smartphones too, but mainly coz the ruddy things pling and ring at the most inopportune moments).
Even the very safe LiFePO4 can go wrong and let all that energy out when it shouldn't. If it should let go, you're not going to be posting here that you had a failure
Lose this battle. Ditch the solar generator. Move on.
You will never make her happy
Or how aboutPut the battery outside.
Wow, this guy gets it. In fact, you won't make her happy no matter what you do. Get rid of the extension cords and the solar generator, and next she will be irritated by the mole under your ear and you'll need to get that removed.Lose this battle. Ditch the solar generator. Move on.
You will never make her happy with that solar generator there.
Could you please explain how the Eco products are any more dangerous, statistically, than any other lifepo4 home power solution? Could you please provide actual data instead of an old and anecdotal thread started on this forum by a member who was using his units in a way to poseibly cause his supposed multiple failures himself? Where and when have these “flame-outs” that you spoke of been reported? Under what operating conditions did they take place? I am genuinely curious as I’ve been using four delta pro units daily for the past eight months, give or take, and would hate to be putting anybody at risk. If the danger involved in these units is as extreme, or even close to, as bad as your claims then I would certainly like to be aware. Where did you get the statistics for Eco products? Is the rate of fire/failure danger greater than any other diy system? Where did you get the stats to compare the two? It seems any idiot with a wrench can put a diy system together, as evidenced by this forum, so how does that make those systems any safer than the Eco systems? Again, please inform us all how you formed your analysis. It seems to me that any system with wiring, fuses, switches, multiple connections of multiple parts and especially multiple batteries is installed with the inherent risk that something could go wrong. So how is an eco system worse? How many diy systems have failed/caused a safety issue in comparison? Who is keeping these records? Is it your job to compile them or just to analyze them? If you have some empirical evidence to share I’m sure it would be appreciated by multiple interested parties.