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Nobodybusiness said:
Every video shows it takes much longer to do a long trip across country in an EV vs ICE.
Most of the videos I have seen always show them arriving at a charger with 5-20 miles left.
Can you say range anxiety?
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Only once, double-dashed but not turtled about 5 miles from the Wal-Mart with the charger in Lousiana somewhere. I was in my Niro and I was spending about 50 minutes charging, it only hits around 50+ at best. The only anxiety was that the charging station was actually operational. This is becoming less of a thing. Newer cars that can hit 150 rates cut that down a lot, but yes it's longer, if time from point a to point b is your only concern, an EV should not be in your future for road trips.

Nobodybusiness said:
For local stuff I’m sure the EV is fine.
Long distance not so much.
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I like to stop every 4-odd hours anyway, so stopping every three is not a deal breaker. Probably adds about 15% more time. I also go slower in my EV. If you keep it under 70 it's huge for range. Around 50MPH is where the curve bends more sharply. I've found running alternate routes at around 60 can give me dramatically more range than the advertised 230.

I predict in 10 years EV's will sport 500 mile range, with about 400 miles 10-90 charging in 30 minutes. Current aluminum ion prototypes are showing twice the density of today's lithium cells, with charge rates that will be limited by the infrastructure needed to charge it not the battery. These things are borderline super-caps. Assuming they can continue to scale the manufacturing process, this will be a major turning point. and solves much of the rare earths issues.
 
Bob B said:
When the ICE vehicle replaced horse drawn carriages, horse drawn carraiges weren't outlawed. When propeller driven ships replaced sailing ships, sailing ships weren't outlawed.

I would like to have an inexpensive EV to do short trips around town and devise my own ways to charge it .... but I want to make that decision for myself .... not be forced to do it by the nanny state.

I have a camper that sits in the bed of my truck that weighs around 5000 lbs fully loaded and ready to go. I can go around 400 miles before I need fuel and it is readily available everywhere I go .... It would be an excellent "bug out" vehicle.
I don't see an EV accomplishing that by the time they are determined to end ICE vehicle sales.

As others have said, transition to EVs needs to be an organic process .... may the best technology win .... in it's own due time.
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Depends on the city, plenty of them it's illegal to ride a horse through lol
Gas cars aren't behind outlawed to drive on the roads
I don't see an EV accomplishing that by the time they are determined to end ICE vehicle sales.
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I do, that's pretty much already here. 11 years away is a long time
 
Bob B said:
I have no doubt that is going to happen ..... or, they will just make it illegal to run a gas station ..... or charge $5000 a year to license it ..... well, unless we can get the nanny state back under control.
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leaded gas is still in use today and asbestos just got banned a few months ago so you'll be dead before gas is banned
 
gotbeans said:
leaded gas is still in use today and asbestos just got banned a few months ago so you'll be dead before gas is banned
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Neither of those things were the target of the climate activists.
 
Doggydogworld said:
Jet turbines are not very efficient. Aircraft use them because of high power/weight ratios and because they work at higher airspeed than propellers.
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They work better at higher *altitude* because of the air compression of the turbine improves it's ability to burn fuel more efficiently. A turbo-prop can go higher than a standard engine. By going higher you actually make it more efficient to get from point a to point b, and there is a lot of esoteric math in all that stuff. A jet engine is pushing fuel thru a 3/8" pipe at high pressure into the combustion chamber, not so great sitting on the ground not really moving. Lot's of pilots and engineers in my family, and turbine engines are pretty cool tech these days. The engineering in the rotors is stunning. Todays jet engines are also dramatically more efficient and quieter because of technology.
 
Brucey said:
Yes, I was responding to someone suggesting a battery might cost $60,000. Just to show that it's not reasonable when you can get an entire small car for $10k (US/EU regulatory approval notwithstanding). It's interesting to see BYD and Tesla and other Chinese manufacturers duking it out.
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Indeed, but I think a $10K vehicle is mythical. They might sell a handful at that price with a subsidy, but I don't think one can be made for that price, much less sold. If someone provided all the manufacturing capacity for all the components for free and it was 100% automated. At one point years back Korea had about $1700 worth of just labor cost popping out a sub-compact. Thus I call BS on the $10K BYD. Oh they may sell some at that price but it is simply not sustainable. Sure generated a lot of positive press for the short term though.
 
gotbeans said:
That's a splitting axe and it's far superior to anything the car brand makes
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Unfortunately the log splitter does not get any work, my shoulder is stuffed.

I don't think you guys get the MG4 there. It's a big leap ahead of their ICE fleet and their first EV the ZS EV.

The base model is a cracker for city/urban vehicle, here at ~A$39k (~US$26k). 350km (WLTP) range, 0~100km/h in 7.7s.

Two cars for comparison:

Base model Toyota Corolla Ascent Sport Hybrid with roughly similar spec: A$35.8k (~US$23.6k). 0-100km/h in 12.0s.

The MG4 craps all over this slug of a Toyota.

While a different car but for comparison the base Model 3 Tesla is A$62k (~US41k). 513km (WLTP) range, 0~100km/h in 6.1s.
An extra A$23k is a lot of extra cash if you are doing the errands, kids to school, shops, work and back etc.

Both from China. MG4 selling very well here and taking out a stack of Car of the Year awards.

Mine is the middle spec unit which is now A$47k (~US$31k). 435km (WLTP) range, 0~100km/h in 7.2s.

If you want some get up and go, there'a always the MG4 X-Power.
$A60k (~$US 39.6k). 400km (WLTP) range, 0~100km/h in 3.8s. All wheel drive. Mind blowing performance for the price.
The only Tesla here with that sort of performance is the Model Y Performance model with 0-100km/h in 3.7s. But it costs A$91.4k (~US$60.3k).
 
gotbeans said:
leaded gas is still in use today and asbestos just got banned a few months ago so you'll be dead before gas is banned
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Yet asbestos has been banned in the rest of the world for over 25 years.
New Ice cars will not be allowed in the eu from 2035..
Producing cars is about numbers, when the numbers go away , because of regulations, so does profit, no profit, no manufactorer
 
I wish the news media would stop this fear mongering they do in order to generate page views and sell advertising.

Governments are signalling to industry where they want industry to go, regardless if it is Trump/Biden putting tariffs on solar panel imports or the European governments banning the sale of new ICE cars. It gives industry a signal on where to invest and speed up the transition.

An actual ban will most likely be postponed if industry isn't capable of making the transition quickly enough. Looking at the Chinese markets, I think that by 2035 ICE cars will be uneconomical to produce in volume anyway.
 
Bob B said:
I have no doubt that is going to happen ..... or, they will just make it illegal to run a gas station ..... or charge $5000 a year to license it ..... well, unless we can get the nanny state back under control.
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The morons who own gas stations just need to put in a few car chargers. Nothing about their business model has to change ... i.e. sell gas or electrons at mostly break-even prices and keep making a killing on the convenience store items and bad food they already sell.
 
robby said:
The topic was Musk's companies.
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I was specifically responding to the comment by @Haze about Tesla and their green credits. I realize SpaceX is paid to launch rockets for the government as is any government contractor. Previously we were paying Russia to go to the Space Station so I have no complaints about paying SpaceX to do it, especially if they can do it less expensively than other bidders.
 
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Q-Dog said:
The morons who own gas stations just need to put in a few car chargers. Nothing about their business model has to change ... i.e. sell gas or electrons at mostly break-even prices and keep making a killing on the convenience store items and bad food they already sell.
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How long does it take to pump a Kwh worth of gas into your tank?
 
Q-Dog said:
The morons who own gas stations just need to put in a few car chargers. Nothing about their business model has to change ... i.e. sell gas or electrons at mostly break-even prices and keep making a killing on the convenience store items and bad food they already sell.
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OMG 🤣🤪😂
 
A 10k electric car?

Look at how much a Quad, say a Honda foreman costs.

Now we are expecting that we can get a car that has all the niceties for $20k?
 
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