Half price electric cars
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Nobodybusiness
Collecting the leftovers of the Great Sky Reactor.
Is this fantasy Tax for NEW or USED or BOTH vehicles?
Pretty straightforward question.
Doggydogworld
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Toyota is pushing hard into conventional hybrids (HEVs) which cannot be plugged in. At least in the US, Sienna minivans have been HEV-only for a few years. Camry will be HEV-only starting sometime this year. Globally they aim to be ~40% HEV this year.
But PHEVs? They have world-class designs but build very few. About 1% global of sales last year. They're kinda pivoting toward BEVs instead, but their BEV designs suck. Had they leaned into PHEVs they'd be much stronger in places like China and California today, instead of getting pounded by the likes of Tesla and BYD.
They're flailing in EVs, though not as badly as GM. Both survive mainly because of the Chicken Tax. Both keep shrinking, though.
Toyota's PHEV is wise as they will still be allowed to be sold well after 2035 according to the california regulations.
This means toyota has to change their assembly the least vs completely overhauling it to do electric only
www.gov.ca.gov
This isn't really that intense. That's 11 years away
The EV market is going to be massively different in 11 years, and the transition will probably be virtually nothing at the rate they're going. The new cars sold will probably be like 2% gas by then.
All gas cars already on the road will be allowed to stay
This means toyota has to change their assembly the least vs completely overhauling it to do electric only
Governor Newsom Announces California Will Phase Out Gasoline-Powered Cars & Drastically Reduce Demand for Fossil Fuel in California’s Fight Against Climate Change | California Governor
Executive order directs state to require that, by 2035, all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California be zero-emission vehicles Transportation currently accounts for more than 50 percent of…
www.gov.ca.gov
This isn't really that intense. That's 11 years away
The EV market is going to be massively different in 11 years, and the transition will probably be virtually nothing at the rate they're going. The new cars sold will probably be like 2% gas by then.
All gas cars already on the road will be allowed to stay
clayswen
New Member
My brother has an F150 hybrid. Best of both worlds. He can cruise around town on electric, then when it runs low or on long trips run on the ICE.
Ampster
Renewable Energy Hobbyist
No doubt, but that is the way I like to travel. If I wanted to get somewhere fast, I would fly. That is clearly one of the reasons you should not buy an EV.
yea not to mention who does long distance trips all the time? 1% of people? 0.1% of people? probably less, 1 in 1000 seems like a lot. Probably 1 in 10,000 do them multiple times a year.
wattmatters
Solar Wizard
If the majority of someone's driving is long distance / off the beaten track, then I agree.
If a long distance drive is however just an occasional thing involving a journey along main highway routes, then it's not much of an issue.
If I wanted to go off the beaten track (I don't), then I'd hire a vehicle suitable for that trip rather than buy one to which was suitable only once every a year or two while being crap and expensive to run the rest of the time.
What others might choose to do instead is up to them.
Ah, that explains it. I was right.
Seems like a lot for a used vehicle. Maybe $10 per cylinder on the annual registration.
You seem to be missing the point. And BTW I don't make the laws. So it is just mental gymnastics. Don't strain yourself.
green mountain boys
Solar Enthusiast
This statement sounds like what the government told me in 1985 about my pickup truck that I purchased new in 1984.
"Don't worry we are going to remove the lead from gasoline but you can still drive your new truck because some gas stations will still sell leaded gasoline"
Nope
Or again in 2006 "Don't worry, we are taking the sulfur out of the diesel fuel but your engine will be fine without it"
I guess the engine designs did not need those lubricants?
Nobodybusiness
Collecting the leftovers of the Great Sky Reactor.
Yea I don’t think flying is such a good idea either now a days.
Seem to be falling out of the sky or just opening up midair.
Don’t even know what to say about that.
You can still drive your lead required truck with regular gas, it's just bad for the pistons without lead cushion effect
That's one thing that is good it was gone, and it took way too long. It's sad some airplanes still use leaded gas.
and diesel engines are fine without sulfur lmao, just run biodiesel from mcdonalds like a man. Takes nothing to run that
Nobodybusiness
Collecting the leftovers of the Great Sky Reactor.
Uh huh..but you would if you could.
OffGridForGood
Catch, make or grow everything you can.
Well let's see:
When the Fisker cost drops to the same as an EV conversion, then buy two. One for parts.
stock up on brake pads while the parts are available.
Maybe put one aside as a collectors' item, spray it down with WD-40 and put it in a shipping container for 25 years, then bring it out - all original, nearly zero miles on it - sell it for a small fortune. LOL. okay someone, but not me.
When the Fisker cost drops to the same as an EV conversion, then buy two. One for parts.
stock up on brake pads while the parts are available.
Maybe put one aside as a collectors' item, spray it down with WD-40 and put it in a shipping container for 25 years, then bring it out - all original, nearly zero miles on it - sell it for a small fortune. LOL. okay someone, but not me.
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Tulex
Solar Wizard
You totally missed the point. The point is, it is being forced.Toyota's PHEV is wise as they will still be allowed to be sold well after 2035 according to the california regulations.
This means toyota has to change their assembly the least vs completely overhauling it to do electric only
Governor Newsom Announces California Will Phase Out Gasoline-Powered Cars & Drastically Reduce Demand for Fossil Fuel in California’s Fight Against Climate Change | California Governor
Executive order directs state to require that, by 2035, all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California be zero-emission vehicles Transportation currently accounts for more than 50 percent of…
This isn't really that intense. That's 11 years away
The EV market is going to be massively different in 11 years, and the transition will probably be virtually nothing at the rate they're going. The new cars sold will probably be like 2% gas by then.
All gas cars already on the road will be allowed to stay
wattmatters
Solar Wizard
Which goes better, the MG or the Fiskars?
clayswen
New Member
I do find it funny how we all (me too) will purchase something like an EV or a solar system so we can get that tax credit. Nothing like buying crap to get paid back with your own money that the govt originally took from you to begin with. Like a vicious circle.
That was my original point to taxing the bad instead of credits for the good. Easier to balance the budget.I do find it funny how we all (me too) will purchase something like an EV or a solar system so we can get that tax credit. Nothing like buying crap to get paid back with your own money that the govt originally took from you to begin with. Like a vicious circle.
green mountain boys
Solar Enthusiast
It was the valve seats on the gas motors that took a beating.
You have to add fuel additives to replace all the good stuff they take away.
Yep. I'll believe that when I see it. Remember the California ZEV mandate?
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